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Wtf is this so though? I hate this trend or having to stop working every 2 seconds to prove you are working.
Daycare is kind of intense.
You have a bunch of parents who would rather be with their kids. They're paying close to their own mortgage/rent to have their kids watched. They're convinced that the teens/young adults the daycare hires are not doing anything. Their kids are there with a load of other kids, pick up bad habits, get bullied and yelled at by kids in worse home situations. As soon any any scratch or scrape happens they want to know know for those prices.
The timesheets give them solace that their kid is being watched, fed, changed, and taken care of emotionally.
it's not necessary, but it's not hard to see why it happens
Looks like a daycare that's taking care of toddlers and infants. Logging these events makes a bit more sense as you have to be at least roughly aware of this stuff to keep an eye out for potential health issues. The kid isn't able to convey things directly so you have to look for signs. If diapers aren't being soiled, then you might need a medical exam, for example.
The precision of the timestamps might seem a bit needlessly specific, but if you are noting it electronically, might as well let the system time-stamp it.
Don't think it's system timestamps, as they're curiously rounded
I suppose it could be possible that the humans are entering it, also possible the timestamps are just being rounded by the system. Guess it's hard to say, though I still say that a daycare that includes infants can reasonably be expected to log this sort of activity in case something goes wrong that would only show up as a loss of appetite or lack of bowel movement or explaining an otherwise unrecognized injury incurred during an assasination.
In their defence looking through the black bars reveals that there are multiple caretakers collectively taking care of the children, so it becomes necessary to track what care has already been given to the kids so all the adults can coordinate.
no?????? If thats the case the groups are too big!! I have a child in daycare and I'd be horrified if there was such a bustle that the adults need to log every action they take because otherwise a kid might not get his diapers changed!!
Half the time I have to check with my wife what cares were done recently when my nonverbal kid gets fussy to try to identify why they're fussy. Logging makes it so instead of asking one can check the log, especially useful if the previous care person isn't available to be asked now
I'm not sure I agree. 10 or so kids lets them get a lot of practice socializing, with 3-4 caretakers. Without a tool like this, it's really easy to miss that nobody's needed to change little Mikey's diaper today - but that's information that can be important for them and the parents to know.
I also have kids in daycare, and while they're able to provide ample individual care, once you get past one adult to a specific set of kids and the kids swap between adults it becomes a much greater risk of missing someone's need because they can't communicate it clearly.
It also can make it faster to know when something last happened if you weren't the one to do it. If a kids fussy and the person who's been looking after them all morning has gone to lunch you can just look over and see that they got up from a nap recently, got a diaper change and that it's almost time for food.
It's not about cramming so many kids in that you can barely keep track and more about recognizing that you're caring for someone else's kids and so taking every reasonable step to ensure there aren't mistakes, as well as demonstrating to the parents that you've done so.
Our daycare has a list on the wall with the name of every kid in the room next to their evacuation plan and emergency kit (big baby/little baby rooms are connected. Sometimes they rebalance for lunch or just different activities which is when they update the list) I have absolute confidence that in the event of an emergency they wouldn't need to use the list, and also that they would still go down the list and look directly at each kid and also do a sweep while doing whatever response they needed.
As someone who's done a bit of work on procedures around systems and making sure they avoid negative outcomes I appreciate there being a process and checklist that's routinely followed.
Also, the digital lists are really more for the parents to be informed about what's going on. I know that I appreciate knowing where precisely they are in their routine when I do pickup.
Sounds like your kid goes to a horrible childcare.
That doesn't seem weirdly detailed to me? Kid bumped their head and they wrote down what happened.
Look at the timestamps: 1:20 1:30 1:40 2:30 ridiculous.
Could just go: oh yeah he bumped his head today when parents come pick him up instead.
It's an app. Do you actually think they're manually entering the time? The app is probably just rounding to the nearest 10 for display purposes. There's also a legal obligation to fill out an incident report.
You're caring for someone else's child and the law says if you felt the need to do something (ice pack) then the parents deserve documentation with timeline and response. Do you have a different criteria that's good for when a non-medical caregiver should need to tell a parent something happened to their kid?
I was referring to the amount of them. 3 in half an hour 😕 For no good reason.
Luckily the law is different where I live. I'd rather have my child taken care of by a human, instead of a flowchart :)
When the caretaker feels like something important happened
Oh, I assumed you thought people were spending a lot of time entering timestamps. Do you think this is a particularly onerous process for them, or that the parents need to like, acknowledge each log? They just push a button to select the kid and tap another to select the event. Maybe type a description if it's an incident report. It's significantly easier for them than logging it any other way, and it ensures parents get the information on food, diapers and whatnot.
I am confused how you see this as care by flowchart. Daycare staff aren't medical professionals. They aren't qualified to make objective decisions about what's an "important" event to notify parents of in a consistent manner. What country are you in where the parental notification laws are "I dunno, if you feel like it I guess"?
Belgium. There's no laws whatsoever that mandate notifications. They'll just tell you if something important happens
Well that seems quite odd. Most developed countries have standards for childcare settings, including defining minimums for activity and incident logging.
Finding regulations was difficult, but it seems that Belgium just has lower quality childcare than even the US, according to the UN. https://www.unicef.org/innocenti/reports/where-do-rich-countries-stand-childcare
Color me surprised. I kind of assumed if we had standards that anyone else would have similar or better standards.
The only thing such laws do is make the care taker more of a replaceable robot, imo. In either case, you want someone that cares, and doesn't see a kid as a long to do list within an app.
No amount of laws can force someone to care. The reverse is often true, in my opinion. "Teach for the test" style.
Yeah, standards for care isn't "teaching for the test". You don't overfocus on "don't change diapers in the food prep area" or "tell the parents if you use the first aid kit" and somehow end up neglecting care.
I take my kids to a legal daycare. That means I know people who work there and are nearby have been certified in pediatric CPR and first aid within the past year. That they do fire drills. That they have a policy for when sick kids need to go home and when they can come back.
It's not about a law forcing people to care, it's about establishing a baseline. If a caregiver I haven't met swaps in for one I know I don't have to learn their standards on the spot.
It's odd to be opposed to standards.
The baseline more than often becomes the goal, that's my issue. Oh so many people just go through the motions devoid of thinking and intent :) Now they also can go: I followed the flowchart what more do you want
Good news is it sounds like we both got exactly what we want!
I think the difference might be that you're thinking of standards that say "if you do A and B and C then you're a good ___". Happens with prescriptive education standards that are tied tightly with budget.
I'm thinking of standards like "failure to A or B or C, or doing X or Y or Z makes you an unacceptable ___". It's what you see in restaurants and hospital hygiene standards. Any restaurant "cleaning to the test" and only going down the food safety list and correcting any issue is both the type that would just be filthy without those standards, and also would end up serving safe food. Same for doctors and hand washing. We would rather all doctors be deeply committed to hygiene, but we have real world data that mandating hygiene minimums and doing things to enforce them has measurable increases in patient well-being. Same for building safety standards and such.
In a system with the standard, those people are providing better care than they would be without them.
I've seen goodhart's law in effect too often. In practice the latter, "failure to A or B or C, .." always turns into the first, "just do A, B and C". Devoid of thinking why A, B and C need to happen. The same thinking that would lead people to also do E and F, and realize that sometimes A is not necessary.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one ;)
Sounds like a really good way to have half of these things forgotten throughout the day and never told to the parents 🤷♂️ logging this on the tablet takes literally 5 seconds, instead of having to spend 5 minutes with each parent at pickup
Yeah, I'd also rather talk with the person taking care of my child. So you can tell how they're doing, as this will reflect on your kid. I prefer those 5 minutes.
Sure, but those 5 minutes add up in a whole daycare.
You still ignored the first half.
Regardless, if they're logging, you can talk to them about the important parts without wasting several hours of important staff time every day between all of the parents. This isn't instead of talking to them, it's in addition.
This is also just super useful for all of the staff. Did Timmy just have a snack? No he doesn't need another. Did each staff member change Timmy's diaper today? We wouldn't have known it happened 5 times without the log, because that's not something you talk about every time.
If it's important they'll remember. Talking to people, seeing how they're doing, isn't a waste of time in my opinion. Au contraire, it's rather important!
Absolutely fucking braindead take.
Do you distrust the people who take care of your kid this much?
Are you this unaware of how people actually function?
I wouldn't go so far as to call it braindead, because that just needlessly antagonistic, but we have a lot of evidence that people forget truly important things all the time, particularly in a setting where a group of people are working together to care for others.
Nurses and doctors will forget they administered medication and give double doses. People will forget that they needed to toss the spinach from the line because it's coming up to its safe lifetime and get people sick.
It's why we have checklists and logs where we write stuff down.
If my local coffeeshop has a checklist and log where they document cleaning the bathroom and doing a deep clean on the espresso maker, why on earth would it be unreasonable for the significantly more important job of "caring for babies" to also do so?
Distrust? It helps to know if they napped or not, because that changes plans. Doctors ask about diaper change schedules. Bumps or scrapes are good to know about because not all effects are immediate.
It's not about trust. People forget shit, and comm lines get crossed when you're working with 4 other staff and 30 kids. Why rely on someone's memory when the alternative is faster, more consistent, and more informative?
People in general are faulty machines with shitty brains and worse memories. Add on that they're working in an extremely chaotic environment, usually overworked and understaffed. It would be literally fucking insane to expect them to remember everything that happened to every kid, and that's not even factoring in that each of the staff has completely different touchpoints throughout the day.
I have to log timesheets at work to say what I've been doing. I have a section everyday in my timetable schedule to fill in the timesheet. So when I'm filling in the timesheet I have to actually tell them what I was doing for that 4 minutes worth of time.
Really?
This was unironically one of the worst jobs I ever worked. Management spent months trying to figure out why the night shift couldn't keep up with the same routine work day shift did.
For some reason 2 people < 25 people never really clicked.
People want to know
If I had a kid I would want them to spend as much time as possible looking after the kid. I don't need them to tell me that they're doing that, I assumed that they're doing that so I'm no better off.
Also everyone estimates those things anyway.
You might overestimate the time it takes to fill reports. It gives them more time anyways because else parents would discuss with them after work
It’s also nice to detect any potential problem or trend
If I see such report, I would instantly have more trust in them. It’s reassuring
So at that age, all the kids nap at the same time. I guarantee that's when teacher is sitting there filling these things out; hence, 120, 130, 140. It's remarkable how efficiently run these places are. And I had the misfortune of my kids' first daycare (two block walk from my house) getting flooded, going to a second one of their centers miles away, and then switching to another one that's less than a mile from my home now. I saw consistently efficient operations across all three over the past 7 years (and much dollars).
And one thing that I have always believed to be the most important about having my kids in daycare was getting them into groups of their peers. They get plenty of time to "socialize," especially the older they get, and so the teachers (generally) don't need to be constantly interacting with them.
Sorry but it's obvious you don't have kids. You need to know when and how much formula your baby had to not overfeed them. You need to know what a toddler ate if he comes home and throws up/has diarrhea/gets a sudden rash. You need to know when his diaper was changed so you know if you need to change it again when you get home. Etc. You really need that info, and people working in daycare absolutely don't ballpark this as they need to know it as well and they have 18 other kids to take care of so they can't remember it all.
Yeah, my son is older now, wrapping up daycare (thank God), but still gets the reports. He's four, so communication isn't exactly the greatest, but it's there, and I go through that daily report with him at night to help refresh his recollection about his day at school, things he learned, events that occurred. Without the report, I know I'm going to get a lot of I don't knows and I don't remembers.