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The majority of Gaza's residents are literally children...
It's insanely fucked up that isn't brought up enough, Israels government wants everyone to believe theyre monsters, but they're kids who have lived short brutal lives because of how Israel treats Gaza.
It's safe to assume roughly half of everyone killed in Gaza is under 18.
It's almost like Israel's plan is to radicalise Palestinian youths, so more and more grow up to be terrorists with each generation, and they can use the shock doctrine after each attack to kill 10-100x more people, and steal more land, then rinse and repeat until there is no Palestine... Basically genocide with extra steps.
What's fucked up is there's a ridiculously easy fix.
If US and other western goverments told Israel if they seize any land, we stop giving them billions of dollars a year, Israel would stop annexing land. Which would likely mean they stop instigating Hamas. They'd have nothing to gain anymore. They'd finally have motivation for the conflict to end.
They're fine starting wars right now, because they have so much money to burn on "defense" and they know if any actual countries try to help Palestine, then Israel can (and will) drag the West into it and start WW3.
Even if Palestine is completely erased from the map, there's no reason to think Israel will stop. There's a very good chance they just start doing this to another neighbor next. Which is why literally all of Israels neighbors hate them.
What is even more fucked up is that USA has zero interest in “fixing” the Middle East.
It should be obvious by now that the only interest USA has in the Middle East is the hoarding of resources.
They want the Middle East to be destabilized so they can continue hoarding wealth. It’s the whole reason they prop up Israel so the fighting and wars continue.
There are no ethics here.
You're forgetting that a lot of people in the West want WW3.
Fundamentalist Christians making the Apocalypse, Military Industry making money. etc.
But the hate you're wrong about. The hate goes back 4,000 years.
Mark my words, in 50 years, it will be Jordan, Egypt or Lebanon. Maybe even all three. Once the Palestinian genocide is completed they will start to push boundaries in the name of safety. With US support there's nothing stopping them as long as Zionist move slow enough, they only have to kill more people than the population replacement rate. And in a century or two they won't even have to pretend and just straight up annex their neighbors. A million things can happen within here and there, but it's crazy to think that this strategy was devised in the XIX century and it seems to be working.
There’s truths and lack of understanding in your comment. Israel doesn’t want that land. They left that land. They don’t settle in that land. It has nothing to do with why hamas hates them. Israel has settlements in the West Bank and I agree that the USA should hold Israel responsible for not expanding settlements there but the issues with Gaza and Hamas are very different than the issues in the West Bank.
Hamas just wants to kill Israelis no matter the cost. Hamas is mostly a Gaza thing. Not a West Bank thing. NO peace is possible between two parties when one continually shows the desire to eradicate the other. Israel doesn’t want to erase Gaza (or at least hasn’t in the past). They have the ability to and could have done it whenever they wanted. They actively put effort to not eradicate them. They may not treat Gaza well but it’s obvious they aren't trying to kill them by the fact that they are still there.
”they may not treat Gaza well” Understatement of the century “But it’s obvious they aren’t trying to kill them” But they are…
People who have the right to defend themselves:
West Bank Palestinians being ethnic cleansed from their homes by far-right Jewish settlers and the Israeli army? ❌
Isreal when it deliberately starves 2.3 million people? ✅
Let us not also forget Hamas has stockpiled fuel and is not giving it to those in need.
Nobody is forgetting mate.
Please provide proof.
https://twitter.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1716705535175631198?s=19
That's a picture of tanks, how do u know they're full? A random picture posted on Twitter isn't a valid source.
https://www.firstpost.com/world/hamas-stole-fuel-medical-supplies-from-un-that-were-meant-for-refugees-of-gaza-strip-idf-13259092.html
UNRWA took back that accusation. Any other source?
Im gonna push back a bit on this. Hamas has a history of kidnapping and threatening UNRWA for speaking ill of them. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/middle-east-watch/how-hamas-took-unrwa-hostage-187110
Not to mention that the "clarification" tweet they made walking back the claim was incredibly strange https://twitter.com/UNRWA/status/1713950145618841820
"With regards to reports on social media of looting of an UNRWA warehouse..." What do you mean by "reports on social media"??? That was you fam???
Considering UNRWA's history with violent threats and attacks from Hamas for talking poorly of them, I have strong reason to believe that their walk back was done under duress.
Ah i see, that could be why they walked it back then. Assuming they did steal it, how much diesel was the UNRWA facility storing? I heard on an interveiw with CNN an IDF person said they had 1000L of diesel, which isn't gonna power a hospital (or anything else for that matter) for very long at all.
According to initial reports it was enough for 8 days. Not an insane amount of course. Under the assumption that it did occur (which I believe to be more likely than not), i feel like one could easioy see how this event would make nations hesitant to send fuel which could end up in the hands of Hamas and other militant groups that use fuel for their rockets and combat.
A desperate terrorist group will definitely eye any fuel it can including those given for humanitarian causes. That leaves nations with a difficult yet fairly obvious choice given the circumstances. 1. Provide fuel and hope that it isnt taken (of course if it is taken then they still end up with no fuel) or 2. Not risk more literal fuel used against them.
Does hamas have diesel powered rockets??? Like i guess you can power motorcycles but I was under the impression that hamas used sugar rocket motors or something similar, cause like how are they gonna use liquid rocket engines.
I know that 1000L lasts for like a couple hours at best so the IDF has to get their story straight, where are they getting the 8 days figure.
Oh no i conflated the 8 day figure with another article about hospitals from last week. That is completely my bad. You are right here.
Reading articles right now it does appear that it is Isreal that is not allowing fuel to be delivered to Gaza while allies are trying to plead with Israel to allow for safe passage of humanitarian aid. Article from minutes ago https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-promises-unrelenting-attacks-hamas-us-obama-urge-caution-2023-10-24/
It still remains difficult because of how Hamas is not bound by any pressure to follow the agreement for safe passage of aid. What an awful situation. Israel is definitely being overzealous in not allowing the US to let fuel in on the aid convoys agreed on.
I mean I think that if Israel allows food, water, and gas to enter Gaza through humanitarian corridors, Hamas isn't gonna attack the convoys. They disregard the consequences for Palestinian civilians sometimes but they also need to keep their recruiting up, and attacking food convoys would make that impossible.
They might steal some stuff I guess, but it wouldn't harm anyone, since the most that could happen is Hamas gets to fuel a car that gets blown up by an Israeli airstrike as soon as they try to do anything.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-771238
Has it been independently verified? The IDF has a long track record of lying about stuff.
Not yet. This is the word of the IDF and a recording released by them. You can listen to it here btw. https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/379539
But so far in combination with the evidence/claims I posted earlier in our discussion, albeit released by the IDF, points towards Hamas stealing resources from hospitals and hoarding it for themselves. Which is consistent with their leader's values and their complete disregard for Palestinians' lives. Even one of Hamas' officials blatantly said himself that they do not care about Palestinians and that it is the UN's responsibility.
I'll wait for the independent verification to draw a conclusion, but that's pretty fucked up if it is true considering the Indonesian hospital generators stopped working today
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/27/world/middleeast/palestine-gazans-hamas-food.html
My understanding that at the very least food, water, and medical supplies is being allowed to be sent through corridors negotiated by he US. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/10/21/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-the-delivery-of-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza/ With much more planned https://www.npr.org/2023/10/23/1207933357/another-convoy-of-humanitarian-aid-gets-into-gaza-over-the-weekend
The item that was not allowed is fuel as Israel claimed that Hamas has and will steal it. But the US and Canada have both claimed to be negotiating with israel to find out a way that would allow them to get fuel to Gazan hospitals.