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This isn't foul baiting, but it's closer to an offensive foul than a defensive one.
Tucker does take a step, but Giannis is also the one creating all the contact. Giannis is intentionally barreling into Tucker, as he does on a lot of drives.
It should be a no-call. Another call liked this happened this game, but it got overturned after a review. The other one should have probably been an offensive foul.
When it comes to Giannis people just want to boil it down to “he’s trucking him” which is sometimes true.
He was spinning, if Pj hadn’t taken another step and fell it likely would’ve been an offensive foul as that’s what a lot of people do when he drives, but he does take a step to try and get a charge and is still moving his feet. That’s the definition of a defensive foul.
Of course a Celtics fan is saying it’s offensive you guys have been complaining about as bad as sixers fans since last night.
Can you explain your reasoning? You said Giannis intentionally barreled into Tucker. Then you said it should be a no call. If he intentionally barrels into the defender, it should be an offensive foul, no?
It is the step forward that Tucker takes that makes it a no-call. Giannis initiates the contact, but Tucker also moved into his space. It is more of an off-setting penalties thing.
But Giannis is a super star and Tucker is Tucker so it is almost always going to get called like this. If it was Embiid it might have been a no-call.
Fair enough. A ton of smaller players do the same thing as Giannis, but I can see how other players get mad at him specifically because he doesn't just initiate contact, he really physically punishes defenders.
These guys aren't explaining the point of a block/charge which comes down to who gets to the spot first.
Giannis is getting to the spot and going into his shooting motion before Tucker gets into the spot. Tucker needs to slide and move his feet to keep up with Giannis. If he does move with Giannis, Giannis just goes by him and this happens because Giannis is getting to each spot before Tucker. If Tucker was standing still and then Giannis "intentionally barreled" into him, then it would be an offensive foul because Tucker had the defensive position first.
The reality is that the rule isn't that great and most of these plays should just be no calls and be considered incidental contact when it's just body-to-body.
some guys can absorb the contact better then others. you cant punish an offensive player because they are stronger then their defender.
Technically giannis was trying to spin around tucker, but tucker stepped sideways to cut off the spin. Both are legal moves, and at the end there is contact. I woudlnt call it an offensive foul, and tucker wasnt set and stepped into the path. I wouldnt call it a defensive foul cuz tucker didnt hit giannis.
So imo, no call