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The evaluation of the merits of something doesn't stop at its obvious direct effects.
I mean, if that was the case, me pissing on the punch bowl in a party would be a good thing because it had the immediate, direct and positive effect of me not feeling the need to piss anymore.
I know that its one of most common political swindles in our era to totally and utterly ignore secondary effects and broader impact of a political choice in order to sell us something which all things considered is a bad thing as being a good thing because at the surface it looks positive, but let's not accept them treating most people as having the intellectual capability of 5-year-olds as a good and normal thing which everybody should do and which we should adapt to by not considering more things about a choice than we did at the age of 5.
The problem here is that the discussion was about whether X was a good thing, and then after a bunch of argument against it finally someone pops in with "because it leads to thing Y!"
Recognizing the existence of the state of Palestine is a good thing for everyone except the racist Zionists who want an ethnically pure unified Israel in its place. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.
In a magical special Universe where nothing else at all was happenning, recognizing the existence of the state of Palestine is always a good thing.
In the actual world were are in, with what's going on right now, for some countries (were there is a large public pressure to actually stop Israel and which are still activelly arming Israel) politicians recognizing the existence of the state of Palestine is possibly a bad thing because of how it interacts with other things to de facto yield worse outcomes for Palestinians than if they had not done it.
Interpreting the merits of a choice in a context were there is nothing else whatsoever that interacts with it - call it "laboratory conditions" - is pure Philosophy and akin to claim that "we all live in a perfect simulation but are not aware of it": a fun mental game that has no actual effect in Reality as we perceive it.