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[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 141 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Still better than Trump smearing the blood of dead Palestinian civilians all over his face as a cheap replacement for his normal clown makeup

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Comparing the height of an ant to the width of a hair becomes rather meaningless when you're trying to get through the second-storey window of a burning building. What you have given is the lowest possible bar, as the person they're supposedly better than is actively suborning genocide.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

While the US directly supplies weapons, funding, and openly encourages escalation against Palestine, while we threaten and extort these countries from recognizing Palestinian statehood, you claim no discernable difference between these two stances. Maybe a timeless god would see things your way but here in this shitty reality this is about as stark as the contrast gets outside of the Middle East.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

"There is no difference between any two things, you imbecile, you simple rube" is a very popular position that allows you to both appear smarter than everyone and also never change your mental state on anything

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

All of the ones in this cartoon are still sending weapons to Israel and the UK specifically is still flying surveillance flights over Gaza and giving the info to Israel as well as arresting old ladies as Terrorist Supporters when they demonstrate against this Genocide.

This action of theirs now is 100% performative and not just has zero effective impact on the suffering of Palestinians but possibly even has negative impact if it reduces the pressure of the Public Opinion in those countries to stop Israel and thus delays actual effective and meaningful action.

Some of the nations in this, most noteably the Brits have a policy towards the Israeli Genocide which is basically the US plus an extra thick layer of hypocrisy.

Don't confuse the difference in façades for a difference in intention.

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[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

That defeatist attitude is how Trump got reelected.

Don't let perfect become the enemy of good enough, and don't let someone else's good enough become the enemy of "it's a start."

In the political scene, recognizing statehood is the first step, because it becomes state vs state instead of state vs its own people. It doesn't erase the atrocities that happened, but it opens a door for reparations in the future.

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[–] Hubi@feddit.org 77 points 5 days ago (9 children)

I really don't see the point this is trying to make. Like, would it be better if they didn't recognize it at all?

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 75 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Imagine if someone punched you over and over again in the face and said, "Sorry, I'll stop." You'd be happy that they'd stopped, but you wouldn't like them or forget, especially because their friend is still currently punching you in the face.

[–] alessandro@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

UK, France, Canada and Australia are all in the ICC: this mean both Hamas and Netanyahu are wanted criminals if any of these put feet on the ground of these nations.

Netanyahu would be reasonably safe in China, Russia, USA and Hungary tho.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This, except their friend is actually shooting your starving children, then bombing the hospital they're being kept in.

[–] droans@midwest.social 5 points 5 days ago

Y'know what would be the best way to get rid of Hamas?

Provide aid and policing. Help establish long-term stability. Prove that you're on the same side as the people. Treat them as humans and not cannon fodder, unaffected casualties, or shields.

Basically, the opposite of what Israel is doing.

This is what boggles my mind when the right attacks anyone who is Pro-Palestine. Almost none are in favor of Hamas - they just recognize that most Palestinians are innocent people who just want to live in peace. We don't have to kill hundreds of thousands of Palestinians or create a massive diaspora.

The war feels a lot as if Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were on opposing sides. Yeah, I'd want Mussolini to win, but why did it have to be him?

Hamas needs to be eliminated in order for long term peace to be established but we all know Israel isn't going to stop there.

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[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 41 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

It is RATHER FUCKING LATE. Sure, let's put together anti-poaching laws for the White Rhino after it's already extinct in the wild! Now, let's find other ways to do precisely nothing of any meaningful value while being able to claim moral superiority and that "at least we eventually did something". Now that the complete obliteration of any meaningful civilisation in the vast majority of occupied Palestine has been completed, and after god-knows-how-many thousands have died of starvation or just being shot like rabid dogs while trying to take the mangled bodies of their children to a hospital, or daring to try to pick up food. Recognising a state which is in exile is precisely as useful to actual Palestinian people as just watching and shrugging your shoulders. It's just an attempt at performative retroactive unfucking.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

We all know it's fucking late, but it makes little sense to complain when someone is finally doing the right thing.
Better late than never.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 5 days ago

What complaining? It's a political cartoon. It's not saying they shouldn't have done something late. It's just a reminder that they didn't do anything earlier.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thaaaaat's the negative reinforcement that'll ensure they never change their stance next time.

That is the goal, right?

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's saying that recognizing Palestine is how you begin to wash the blood off.

[–] Sidhean@piefed.social 31 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure its saying they're only recognizing Palesestine to make themselves look better.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago

That's because you are oversimplifying things. Yes, late is bad. Yes, better late than never. Yes, views have changed over time. Yes,many politicians are cynical fuckfaces. All of that is all true. The artist is not choosing just one thing, and neither should you.

[–] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That recognition does not remove culpability from past choices.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You can see the water underneath their hands is red as if blood is being washed off. To me that indicates the message of the cartoon is this is how you start to clean your hands. Note they still aren't clean, but it's a start

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Politicians from those countries are under enormous Public Opinion pressure to "do something" to Stop Israel (for example, in Britain 500 THOUSAND people demonstrated against the Genocide).

So the politicians in power do the most innefective "something" imaginable.

The simplest most surperficial reading of this is: see, they did "something" and even if small "it's a step forward" - you see a lot of posters here doing that reading.

An analysis with even just the tiniest bit of depth yields the possibility that, by choosing to do the least effective thing they could do now, they're diffusing some of that Public Opinion pressure thus delaying the time when the pressure is so big they have to do something that actually hurts Israel, like Sanctions.

If that is the case, then this action is in fact negative rather than merely meaningless or "a small step forward", because it gives Israel more time to exterminate Palestinians and steal more of their land - it means more deaths rather than fewer and a worse future (as more of them get dispossessed) rather than a better one.

Given that all these countries are still sending weapons to Israel, and the UK - which was the initiator of all this - is even running surveillance flights over Gaza and giving the info to Israel, it seems to me that the "it's a delaying action to give room for Israel to take their Final Solution further" explanation is far more likely than the idea that this is being done with a genuine intent of helping Palestinians.

Exactly. As someone from the UK, I find it nothing more than placating to public pressure, but don’t get it twisted we are still selling them weapons and running recon flights for Israel to then murder people.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 52 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think this is at least a good step 1, albeit insanely late, but it needs to be followed with sustained action and reparations. If they use this as a marketing tool like the pessimist in me is expecting, then it’s meaningless bullshit. No amount of recognition will wash the blood off of their hands.

[–] lowleekun@ani.social 10 points 5 days ago

Nothing will wash the blood off. The goal is to not get more on to them.

We need sanctions against Israel like yesterday. Their fascist government won't budge until there is real financial pressure.

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[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 38 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They figure the job's close enough to done that they can flip to the "right side of history" without affecting the outcome

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[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Americans can shove their opinions after they let Nazis who openly declared they'd flatten Gaza to take power.

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Power? No no no, they wanna build a hotel...or Vegas? Sin! they wanna build a monument to sin....on corpses

Edit: typo...fat fingers

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why is France written in Comic Sans?

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 5 days ago

Because OOP intended these to be sets of 2 hands therefore 1 country per two. OP added France.

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Some people will complain they're catching flak for doing the right thing. That's why nobody does it etc.

But that's the point. If you're really honest with yourself you take your licks and own up for what you did wrong. People are gonna give you a hard time for it.

The alternative is not doing it.

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[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 days ago

It's setting the stage. It doesn't do much on it's own but if you recognize them as a state rather than just some people it gives leverage to use more diplomatic tools.

How much difference will it actually make? No idea.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 23 points 5 days ago (10 children)

You're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Should they take no positive steps?

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Better than refusing to recognize Palestine.

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[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Would people prefer no recognition?

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They would prefer those recognized that Israel is committing genocide.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Right but between recognizing Palestine or not recognizing Palestine, wouldn't recognizing it be better?

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago (4 children)

If it stops the genocide, sure. If it distracts everyone from the fact that they're still supporting a nation doing genocide then nah.

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[–] loonsun@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They would prefer an end to the genocide. Telling someone "they exist" doesn't stop their execution.

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[–] bier@feddit.nl 4 points 4 days ago

Exactly it has to start somewhere, better than no action at all

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[–] sucius@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's been clearly photoshopped. There was something else instead of France. You should really respect the original author's work

[–] rozodru@piefed.social 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

link to the original comic? OP clearly, badly, photoshop'd this one and it's clear OP is from the country they replaced with France.

[–] justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago

The France hand looks like the counter part to Australia, the others also have two hand per country. So nothing was replaced, just added

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 13 points 5 days ago
[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"Out, damned spot! ... What, will these hands ne'er be clean?"

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What's with the arm for France? It's clearly labeled in a different way than everything else in the picture.

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