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[โ€“] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The problem here is that the discussion was about whether X was a good thing, and then after a bunch of argument against it finally someone pops in with "because it leads to thing Y!"

  • That wasn't addressed at all until now.
  • It remains an unsupported connection.
  • Even if true, thing X is still in itself a good thing.

Recognizing the existence of the state of Palestine is a good thing for everyone except the racist Zionists who want an ethnically pure unified Israel in its place. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

[โ€“] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

In a magical special Universe where nothing else at all was happenning, recognizing the existence of the state of Palestine is always a good thing.

In the actual world were are in, with what's going on right now, for some countries (were there is a large public pressure to actually stop Israel and which are still activelly arming Israel) politicians recognizing the existence of the state of Palestine is possibly a bad thing because of how it interacts with other things to de facto yield worse outcomes for Palestinians than if they had not done it.

Interpreting the merits of a choice in a context were there is nothing else whatsoever that interacts with it - call it "laboratory conditions" - is pure Philosophy and akin to claim that "we all live in a perfect simulation but are not aware of it": a fun mental game that has no actual effect in Reality as we perceive it.