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Under the order, private businesses can choose to display signage indicating that ICE cannot enter without a warrant—thereby designating “their property as part of a city-wide network of community spaces that stand together in affirming the safety, dignity, and belonging of all of our residents,” the mayor said.

Johnson touted the order for building “a broad civic shield that limits the reach of harmful enforcement practices. It strengthens neighborhood solidarity and it reaffirms Chicago’s role as a welcoming city.”

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (18 children)

shows up to that movement with pitchforks

While we're on the subject, how DID pitchforks become the universal symbol of rioting and revolt? As a weapon, I mean it's decent I guess. You could certainly kill someone with it for sure, but it's not some ultimate weapon. A chainsaw certainly has more raw terror inducing imagery. You see someone with a pitchfork in a 1-1 setting, and you could fight them off. You could grab the pitchfork as it's being used against you and have a chance to fight back.

But a chainsaw? How do you fight a guy with a chainsaw??? Or a gun???

I guess what I'm saying is, if we happen to pass a hardware store along our march of revolution, could we pop in for a sec, so I can buy a chainsaw???

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

Chainsaws:

  • Tripping while carrying a pitchfork is less likely to result in a fatality than a chainsaw
  • Chainsaws rely on external power sources before they become heavy abrasive clubs
  • Reinforcements won't hear you engaging your pitchfork from a block away
  • A pitchfork is lighter and longer, making it easier to wield and have a potential for higher force with lower torque
  • Chainsaws don't like being used on fluid-filled fleshy bits, which can result in a tangled nightmare bogging down your weapon while you try using the "stuck shopping cart" maneuver on something noncompliant and screaming
  • Pitchforks can be quickly shared between targets. Chainsaws quickly share bits of targets between you and anyone nearby

Guns:

  • Requires training
  • See issue about external power sources
  • See noise issue
  • Friendly fire

You could grab the pitchfork as it's being used against you and have a chance to fight back.

Push harder

  • ❌ Pitchfork: Long, unbalanced weight, gets stuck when embedded in a solid medium
  • ✅ Softball bat: Less cumbersome, well balanced, doesn't get stuck in squishy
  • Miracle Blade^®️^: Abuse as desired and Chef Tony will hand-deliver you free replacements, CHEESE CHEESE
[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Spears, and (pun) by extension Pitchforks, being long is not a draw back. It is a stabbing weapon you could take out someone with a baseball bat before they even get in reach to be a risk.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The police use Roman legionary techniques to force protestors back.

If you take the mindset that you're preparing for a nonlethal war and prepare beforehand by bringing tasers and attaching them to very long wooden sticks, or topping the stick with pins that may get stuck in skin but will break when stuck in skin, or even just use the very long sticks, all you need to do is find enough people to drill in classical battle formations for a while. I think the phalanx did good against a Roman shield wall if it didn't have to maneuver much, which is perfect for city steeets.

Hell, you could go the whole nonlethal bullets route with 3d print guns, but I think firing weapons may result in very much and very lethal escalation, so while I wouldn't recommend it I don't see why 3d printed guns couldn't be used in a staggered fire formation like they used in the 1800s, except you'd just keep preloaded single use pistols in the back pre-loaded with nonlethal rounds. It would be inaccurate as all fuck but that's the beauty of infantry formations in the 1800: the guns were inaccurate as fuck. At least in the beginning.

If they're safe enough to use against protestors then the police shouldn't have a problem, right?

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