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[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah, the real reason is that the followers of these books want to push their beliefs onto others, turn them into laws, and ignoring them won't make them go away. In every place where the followers of these books became the majority, the minorities are extremely repressed. The last time we were entirely ruled by those books, it was known as the Dark Ages, but there are several other countries currently living in their own Dark Ages because of the same desert trilogy. That book literally says its followers should kill me and others just because of the way they were born, so fuck it, it deserves no respect from anyone, it has nothing to do with race, it's 100% religion.

[–] theolodis@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Qur'an literally teached to not take a life, "whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity." (https://quran.com/al-maidah/32)

All verses about killing disbelievers are in the context of war, of the times when the early Muslims were under attack.

Also, traditionally people of other religions were living a good life under muslim rule, because unlike Christianity, Islam forbids forced conversions.

[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, yeah, all these books say do A and don't do A and the hypocrite choose which he likes better to say which is right and who's the true Scotsman... theoretical or historical contexts matters little on street-level reality. Meanwhile, I can safely say all the crap I want about Christianism and even wear anti-Christian symbols, however one must watch his back if he does the same with Islam.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, the thing you said about Christianity is not true at all in parts of the US.

[–] theolodis@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

So your point is that that people are uneducated and ignore context, and thus books are bad?

And concerning insulting Christians, go to Texas and pee on a cross, then we can talk. Of course you can safely do that where you are, probably because there are not a lot of Christians in your area, but the more of one population there are, the hight the chances that one of them is crazy.

[–] zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The last time we were entirely ruled by those books, it was known as the Dark Ages

But that's a Europe thing you know.
EDIT: actually western Europe.

[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I thought that by always referring to books in the plural, calling it the desert trilogy, and mentioning the Dark Ages, it was obvious that I'm not singling out the burning of the Qur'an as good... in my country, it's not Muslims who have infected politics and try to push religious law, but a sect of fundamentalist Christians... yet, the laws they want pale in comparison to sharia, so I feel sorry for countries with people on the streets calling for sharia.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

the laws they want pale in comparison to sharia,

Just not true.

Read Handmaid's Tale. That's what Christian nationalists want.

Christianity is just as bad as the rest. Stop carving out an exception.

[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love Handmaid's Tale, I suggest you reading Persepolis as well, this is one is a true history though.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've read Persepolis. I'm struggling to understand what point you're trying to make.

If it's that Handmaid's Tale is unrealistic, then you're just wrong. Margaret Atwood specifically made sure only to include things that people have already done (almost always in the name of religion). Here's a quote from her about it:

The thing to remember is that there is nothing new about the society depicted in The Handmaid's Tale except the time and place. All of the things I have written about have been done before, more than once.

More:

https://deadline.com/2018/07/handmaids-tale-margaret-atwood-masterclass-writing-class-bad-things-really-happened-1202424424/

“When I wrote The Handmaid’s Tale,” Atwood says in the promo, “nothing went into it that had not happened in real life somewhere at some time. The reason I made that rule is that I didn’t want anybody saying, ‘You certainly have an evil imagination, you made up all these bad things.’

“I didn’t make them up.”

https://www.penguin.co.uk/discover/articles/margaret-atwood-handmaids-tale-testaments-real-life-inspiration

[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My point is that what we fear bible‑thumpers can do, qur’an‑thumpers are already doing in several parts of the world, so they must be treated as an equal threat.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

so they must be treated as an equal threat.

Oh. Then I guess we agree lol.

I was just reading your arguments as "Christianity is better because they don't do bad things"

[–] zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

only things that I know of "sharia" from Qur'an are:

  • one hundred lashes for adultery,
  • eighty lashes for accusing chaste women of adultery and failing to produce four witnesses,
  • Qisas,
  • cutting the hand of the thieves (when very specific conditions are met),
  • total prohibition of interest in debt,
  • hiraba

I wish you criticize them only if the laws of your country solved these problems efficiently (unless you don't consider them problems),
And it is kinda strange that you're hurt when you didn't have contact with Islam?