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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 149 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Imagine if Obama said "We're just going to kill people" in any context. I hate this shit so much.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 48 points 4 months ago (4 children)

To be fair...Obama did "just kill people" by the thousands.

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 39 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Liberals like Obama because he did it while keeping a low profile so they could keep their conscious clean.

MAGA like Trump cuz he gloats about it so they can revel in it.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Where the fuck did I say I liked Obama.

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When you hear people insult liberals do you always take it personally?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Maybe go back to the original comment for this thread and read usernames

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They were clearly responding to the person who instinctively jumped to defend Obama, if you look at the usernames, he was clearly not taking to you...

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Wasn't even directed at anyone in particular, just stating the observation.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That person absolutely wasn't defending Obama. They were clearly calling him out, likely for his drone strikes.

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I know you were at the top, what I don't understand is why you thought my comment was directed at you.

[–] ronigami@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago
[–] rimu@piefed.social 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Do you care to name an incident, so we can compare?

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 26 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] rimu@piefed.social 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I see, lots of parallels there.

Apparently Trump is quite a fan of drone strikes too:

There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office,

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

That Trump is worse does not trivialize the fact.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, but it is telling that trump then, according to these number, killed 4x more people in 2x less time

Both numbers suffice that either men should be in an ICC prison

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And highlights the reason why the US doesn't acknowledge the authority of the ICC.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We have a law that explicitly states we'll invade if a US citizen is tried.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah, you can thank one of the bushes for that shit. It's a fucking insult to the world

I think that at this point, if the US wants to ever be eleven remotely respected again, that it will have to rid itself of bullshit laws like that, and acknowledge and fully support the ICC

That, amongst much, much more

[–] rimu@piefed.social 4 points 4 months ago

Yeah I'm not arguing with you on this just sharing information I found.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

If my math is right, that's not by the thousands. That's by the tens.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago

Roughly %10 casualty rate. That's dog shit 💩

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Every US president practically has.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

This is pretty much why the Supreme Court ruled that a president's actions cannot be considered illegal, when performed in the name of their official capacity as president. They didn't just give Trump the authority to violate the law...they retroactively gave it to every other president that has committed atrocities during their time in office.

In a twisted sort of way, they were affirming what's already considered established precedent.

[–] absentbird@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I thought Obama had congressional approval for all his military actions.

That's not just killing people, it's part of the job of being president: executing the will of the republic. What Trump is doing is very different.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Obama was really just piggy-backing on previous "approvals". He was also conducting drone strikes wherever he felt like...in or out of active war scenarios. It was also all based on shadowy intelligence, and done without any due process for those he killed. All in the name of the Republic...just like how Trump is claiming his actions are.

So...not much different.

[–] absentbird@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Congress approved military strikes in the entire middle east region under Bush. Even if the strikes weren't in active war zones, they were approved uses of military force. Trump has no such authority for his strikes on boats in the Pacific and Caribbean.

I agree that the authorizations granted under Bush were bullshit and tantamount to war crimes, but the actions of the president is starkly different.

[–] Sludge@sh.itjust.works 32 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Dawg is he actively trying to launch into an actual emergency or war to try to hold on to power? Looks like it.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 23 points 4 months ago

Yeah. He tried to get into a war with Iran in term 1. He "predicted/projected" Obama would start a war to increase his polling to get reelected. So we know he thinks this way

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 16 points 4 months ago

All of the above.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He is trying to create a justification for enacting martial law and increased control over the domestic population. “Venezuelan gangs” are simultaneously the excuse for blowing up civilian boats while also being the excuse for making ICE increasingly militant.

He seemingly wants to recreate the conditions of WWII where the military was used to round up Japanese-American people into concentration camps. Except this time it is to round up Latinos. For now they go after undocumented immigrants. Then start the war. Then round up anybody who is brown by labeling them as gang sympathizers

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

He's also wanting Venezuela to declare war first.

[–] Sludge@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Whelp, rip - see y'all in the gulags.