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Yup. America is fucked for the foreseeable. No one trusts the system anymore. In 2020, the MAGA said the election was stolen. In 2024, the Dems said the same thing(Thankfully, they didnt storm the capitol like fucking morons though).
America is definitely on a path of some to a hard showdown. Not trusting the system, thinking that the only way you can lose is because the other side cheated... nothing good comes from that. The Republican party needs to take back control from the MAGA fuckwits. This extremism on their end is radicalising elements of the left that are becoming the other side of the MAGA coin. And thats only going to make more MAGA morons.
Someone, ANYONE, needs to get that party back to being just corrupt again. Cos what they are now is fucking silly. And by silly, I mean dangerous as fuck.
I think saying this kind of stuff is SO dishonest. Every election you can find people saying the election was stolen. But that is not even remotely close to what the Republicans did in 2020.
Every presidential nominee has conceded except for Trump. Even Al Gore, whose election literally was stolen by the Republicans in the Supreme Court, still conceded for the benefit of democracy.
So please stop spreading this kind of stuff. It only normalizes what Trump did and will do in 2028.
I dont give a shit what you "think". Im telling what I saw, and what continues to happen. I mean, ffs, youre doing it right now! Pushing this idea that hes going to cheat in 2028. Thats your current narrative. Just like it was, for a lot of online dems, a lie that he won. You all did the same in 2016, when you werent happy that he won.
MAGA might be worse, a lot worse, but youre "team" is still doing shit. So you, yes you, stop spreading this kind of stuff.
Look, Trump literally tried to steal the election in 2020. If his mob had successfully stopped the congress vote, I believe Trump would not have left office. That is unlike anything that has ever happened before from either party.
So for you to act like a handful of people might have said Trump stole the 2024 election is the same thing is incredibly dishonest. And it is exactly what the fascist wants.
Reality: Trump tried to stay in office after he lost the election. Never conceded. Harris conceded immediately and left office.
You: People on both sides say the election was stolen. They’re the same.
See how you are being dishonest by saying this?
And saying that Trump is going to try the same thing in 2028 is also not the same. He’s already done it, and this time he is building his own private army and sending military into the streets. This is not a time where you can say “both sides are similarly wrong”.
Edit: Just to add my exclamation point, there have been individual senators that have objected to the certification of votes, but NEVER like the republicans in 2020. The Republican Party was complicit in Trump’s attempt to steal 2020 in a way Democrats never have.
It's fucking proven that he cheated in 16 and 20 and since we did nothing to stop him 24 is a given. Give your balls a tug.
And its proven that youre lot have cheated as well, as you can see in another post. Stop trying to tell me that the party that made sure in 2020, that Americans had no chance of getting free healthcare by forcing Biden into the nom, are the good guys here. They stolen the nom in 2016, and they did it again in 2020, and again in 2024. And you lot keep on thinking they are the ones to free you from this nightmare... Jesus christ.
Harris is DID NOT say the election was stolen. She did the exact opposite of what Trump did. She conceded and acknowledged result of the vote.
On Nov 6 she said:
Never said that Harris did. But thanks for playing.
Which Dems did then?
I mean very different league, but there are studies reports noting some extreme irregularities in several key cities. IE juristictions where hundreds voted for the democratic senator, but zero votes for harris etc...
but yes obviously the key huge thing to point out is democratic represenatives and candidates. aren't loudly screaming those on the news and twixxer etc... to encourage mass civil unrest
The guy who just replied to you for one...
Trump sends a mob to the capital building to stop the certification of an election. A guy on the internet says there were some irregularities.
u/Bennyboybumberchums: iTs ThE sAmE pIcTuRe
Never said it was, thats just what you took it to mean so you could treat a stranger on the internet like shit. Theres always excuses from you people. You never take responsibility for anything. Whatever you did, they did it worse. Whatever you said, they said worse. Whatever horrible shit you say, well, they said it first. Like fucking children, terrified of being wrong.
You absolutely are. And the rest of your comment only doubled down on it. Quit equating what Trump did in 2020 to what random people on the internet said one time. It is not even comparable.
Saying this kind of stuff only gives Trump and his supporters justification for doing the same thing or worse next time.
And if you think my comment was “treating you like shit”, you probably need to get off the internet. I was as respectful in saying “you are 100% wrong” as possible.
Their "treating others on the internet like shit" comment killed me when they are being an absolute cunt throughout their comments.
Honestly, I’ve never been so unsure if I’m talking to a real human before.
Yeah, they don't seem to know what they want to say, they've been fingerpointing and blaming and trying to reframe their statements as others misunderstanding when really they just weren't clear.
Just wants to sow confusion if they even realize what they are doing. Because some points are correct, but then there is a load of hogwash, equivocating, and I hesitate to frame it this way because of overuse/misuse but, narcissistic gaslighting tactics.
I didnt, you just took it that way. I was talking about voters, social media morons, no politicians on either side. You, among others, want to paint what I said in a different context because you know Im right.
But hey, if you really are that fucking stupid that you think "No one trusts the system anymore" is me talking about the people IN the system, then you really are one of the dumbest fucker of mothers to even grace the internet with your horrible takes.
So when you said this, you were just talking about all the same people that complain about elections every single election cycle (2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016…)? The people that have never trusted the system? And not the one group that was actually different from every other year?
Cause in Dec of 2020, the maga friendly friends of mine were making this exact same comment. “Democrats complained about 2016, Republicans are complaining now, no difference”. And they were pretty fucking quiet when Trump attempted an actual insurrection.
And in 2028, when Trump runs for his 3rd term, they are going to be making the exact same comment you just made.
You come across as the kind of person that is surrounded by assholes, but doesn’t realize who the actual asshole is.
“No one trusts the system anymore. In 2020, the MAGA said the election was stolen. In 2024, the Dems said the same thing"
You cant fucking follow that? Seriously??? That the "No one" is the people outside the system, not the people in it???? Come the fuck on.
Going in circles now, but like I said, you sound exactly like the maga friends in Dec 2020 who were quiet as a mouse about the actual insurrection attempt.
So my initial response to that statement is to push back against the narrative that they wanted to push forward and are going to push forward again when Trump does the same shit in 2028 he did in 2020.
If your intent was to say people don’t trust the system anymore and you accidentally used a fascist friendly talking point, then I totally agree. But I would again push back that the party that has already attempted an insurrection and is currently sending actual military into democratic cities is a little more to blame for this.
Yes, we are going in circles because you refuse to admit that you were wrong, and jumped to a conclusion so you call me names. These arent fascist talking points either.
The morons who attacked the capitol were rightly called out at the time. Sure, the right wingers tried to down play it as "just a bunch of people protesting" and that "the police let them in.". But we all saw what it was, and the fact that some morons tried to spin it isnt anything new. During the riots that followed the murder of George Floyd, similar things happened only the roles were reverse. With "the left" ignoring or downplaying the bad things that happening. At least 19 people were killed during those riots. When it was a cop doing the killing, "the left" were all over it. When it was looters doing the killing, all of sudden we had to focus on how peaceful the protests were. And they were, Im not going to say they werent. The vast majority of protests were peaceful. But some werent, and in those cases "the left" did the exact same thing that "the right" did during the Jan 6th "protest". They were slow to criticise it, and were quick to make excuses for it once they did. If 2020 showed us anything, its that people these days on both sides are only too happy to have violence, just as long as its to "their sides" benefit.
Let me be crystal clear, so there is no mistake. I do not like either party. I think they are both corrupt and focus on serving the party and their rich donors before the people. I can point to reasons why this is true of both. The media, not any better. It stopped being about truth a long time ago. Now its about clicks and engagement. If that means lying, so be it, they'll do it. And if you do what the truth, or at least to know the biases of the news media thats telling the you "the truth", you have to pay for it on a monthly basis.
What I want is for everyone, left and right, to start looking at the people that want their vote. Not the party they align with. Look at their actions, before the words that come in easily digestible sound bites. The Dems are no ones saviour and neither are the Republicans. But that doesnt mean that you cant find people with in those parties that are worth your vote. The most obvious example of that for the Dems being AOC. She clearly not the pocket of party leaders or donors, and shes never shied away from speaking her mind, even when its been against her political interests to do so.
On the right side of aisle you have people like Daniel Thatcher. Hes not going to be perfect, but he doesnt appear to be raging lunatic either. On the subject of Trans rights for example he was asked "What should the government do about it?" and his answer was "Nothing. We should leave you alone.". His belief is clearly that of actual small government, that that government has no place in telling people how to live. He also doesnt appear to have come out strongly one way or the other on the other big talking points of immigration and abortion. But his being reasonable on the Trans rights issue shows, IMO, that hes someone that can get the party back to the business of not being utter cunts.
Another is Juan Ciscomani. On abortion he opposes the nation wide ban, but he does support limiting abortion to 15 weeks. Which is fine, IMO. And while he supports border security, hes shown that open to reform and protections, especially for children. I cant find anything about his views on issue of Trans Rights.
This idea that we all have to hate and wish death on each other because of a label, is insane. Being one thing, doesnt make you all the things that another who shares that label is. This extremism needs to end, because its radicalising people to the point that they feel comfortable saying that children should be murdered. Not just out loud, but online...
TikTok user Noryy Bell.
We all need to drink a really big tall glass of calm the fuck down.
What name did I call you?
My guy, the Republican Party is MAGA. There's nothing to go back to. It has been irreversibly transformed.
I'll set aside other comments I want to make. But it's important to realize that point.
No, the arent. And if you think that, really think that, youre a culture war moron thats had your brain rotted by the reddit echo chamber.
Sir, this is a Lemmy’s.
In name only. This place has been flooded with reddit pricks who got banned for being too fucking stupid not to wish death on people in a open forum, just because they happen to disagree on an issue.
You're a Republican aren't you? You voted for this, didn't you? Scratch a both sideser, find a MAGAt.
Im not even American. Im a Scottish socialist, with eyeballs that work properly. Step out of your echo chamber, touch some grass, its fun.
You're a Russian propaganda bot based on all your talking points.
Well, I suppose thats a little better than being called a MAGAT with a chatgpt account... Still though, isnt it funny how you are all doing exactly what I said? You dont trust anything that doesnt fit youre narrative, and in fact openly attack it no matter how true it appears to be. Im just a bot or a troll or whatever else you can lay at my feet instead of actually looking out he window and seeing whats right in front of your face.
This is why America is where it is. You put your faith in the Dems who use you for their own ends, and they put their faith in the Republicans who use them for their own ends. Its insane. You all say the same things about old boomers, but then body swerve the logic when its "your guy".
Youre all stuck in this nightmare, until you wake up and see whats right in front of youre face. Its not immigrants, its not trans people, its the woke, its not the MAGA, its the rich politicians and their donors. Thats who is doing all this to you.
Making a lot of stupid assumptions in that comment. Pull your head out of your enlightened centrist ass. Your attitude is directly responsible for the rise of white supremacy worldwide.
No, that would be you doing what you just did. Theres no assumptions, its facts. You just dont like it because youre terrified of being wrong. Youre just like the MAGA morons. Stuck in a cult, and unable to see whats right in front of you.
You dont deserve AOC, shes too good for the likes you, who back boomers like Pelosi using corruption to keep the younger generations out of power.
There's been evidence of Republican slanted election interference for decades, don't both sides this shit.
Because it makes you uncomfortable to know that both sides are shitty?
Senate investigators found evidence of illegal or improper fundraising activity connected to the 1996 federal campaigns and identified arrangements that involved foreign funds routed to Democratic committees and campaigns.
https://www.congress.gov/committee-report/105th-congress/senate-report/167
Emails published in 2016 showed senior DNC staff discussing strategies that favoured Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders during the primary season. The leaks prompted the resignation of DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hacked-emails-cast-doubt-on-hopes-for-party-unity-at-democratic-convention/2016/07/24/a446c260-51a9-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html
Reporting based on the leaked emails showed that Donna Brazile, then a DNC vice-chair and CNN contributor, passed town-hall/debate topics or questions to Clinton campaign staff.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/07/donna-brazile-is-totally-not-sorry-for-leaking-cnn-debate-questions-to-hillary-clinton
Local Democratic campaign workers and Town Committee officials were later charged, with at least one pleaded guilty, for mishandling absentee ballots in Bridgeport’s 2019 mayoral primary, including unlawful possession of absentee ballots and related offences.
https://www.ctpublic.org/news/investigative/2024-06-11/four-charged-with-absentee-ballot-misconduct-in-2019-bridgeport-election
Democratic groups and PACs spent millions running ads and other interventions aimed at elevating certain far-right Republican primary candidates, whom Democrats judged easier to defeat in the general election. The Washington Post’s analysis documented significant ad-spending and strategic efforts by Democratic organisations to shape GOP primaries.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/12/democrats-interfere-republican-primaries
So, yeah, I think I will keep on both sidesing this shit. Because both sides are corrupt as fuck. And you all need to get on board with that fact, if you ever want to claw your way out of the hell hole youve made for yourselves.
Bad bot, the primary bullshit didn't play, you need to update your propaganda points.
Whats its like being in a cult? Whats it like being the very thing that you point at MAGA for? I mean, I couldnt spoon feed you any better than this. You want to claim its not both sides trying to get a leg up in nefarious ways, I just gave you examples of why it is. You want to claim that only Republicans are corrupt, while ignoring the other things I said about Nancy Pelosi fucking over AOC to hold her back from making a run in 2028. You ignore the facts, because youre in a cult. Its a different cult to MAGA, but its still a cult. And you act the same as they do, ignoring and arguing against whats going on out in the open.
Just last year, in broad daylight, the Dems elected a 75 year old man dying of cancer into the top position of the house committee, instead of a 35 year old woman in her prime. Thats fucking boomers, looking after their own interests, and telling the younger generations to take a fucking walk! And it happened right in front of your fucking face! And all you have to say is "bad bot"... Fucking insane.
That's precisely what created MAGA. That's the swamp.
The Democrats did purge the radicals... and that was their base. Over decades, America's heartland was sold out to corporations and the urban Brunch Democrats didn't care. The small farms are gone. Then right wing Democrats told middle America that the economy was fine when it most clearly was not.
Biden was a moderate. Harris was a moderate. What's that definition of insanity again?