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Western perception of “Social credit” largely propaganda btw and if you believe it isnt then you got manipulated.

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 81 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Two things can be bad at the same time.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes that seems to be the point of the post

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not if you look at OP's other comments.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

This thought-terminating cliche is getting so tired. You may as well just say "let's just agree to disagree".

It's telling that this cliche is most often applied when western whataboutism is correctly called out, and all it does is serve to legitimize the act of manufacturing consent against China.

USA invents credit score way back in the 50s

credit score is immediately used to pull off the most calculatingly misogynistic, racist, and classist financial enforcement in modern history.

china implements a technically similar system that aims not to control working people's financial agency, but to strengthen public trust.

the west immediately spins up the presses and releases dozens of hit pieces a year that manufacture consent against China by portraying the Chinese social credit system as an orwellian nightmare that will rip a child out of their parent's home if the household spends too much time on videos games.

leftists identify this whataboutism and correctly call it out

liberals drop one of their various thought-terminating cliches to (not so) subtly bolster the western narrative - thus manufacturing consent against China.

You've been effortlessly oriented by the State Department and its various propaganda apparatus.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Brother i don't want to live in a country that scores my social media nor one that scores my credit. I have the right to not want either of those things

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How is it thought terminating to consider two different things bad at the same time?

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You've been effortlessly oriented by the State Department and its various propaganda apparatus.

Can you explain to me, how I'm propagandized by a foreign government when I'm not cheering on the policies of their opponent?

I'm not taking any sides on this conflict, because it's not my conflict. I'm a socialist... Let me assure you that my fundamental critique of the chinese state apparatus doesn't really align too much with the US state propaganda.

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That you critique China without researching it is aligned with the US State Dept. That you share lies about China (e.g. the social credit score) is aligned with the state department. That you don't think there's anything to discuss positively about the Chinese project aligns with the state department.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That you critique China without researching it

So not liking something from China automatically means I didn't "research" it? Interesting. /s

That you share lies about China

Care to back up that bold claim?

That you don't think there's anything to discuss positively about the Chinese project aligns with the state department.

Sure you're not talking about someone else?

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You said "you don't know how much I considerer both systems" in another comment.

That's pretty much all the back up one needs.

The social credit system in China does not apply to individuals. It was originally designed for businesses. A limited pilot in certain locales was applied to individuals. That pilot program was shutdown in 2019.

So sure, go ahead and consider both systems that actually really exist. Go ahead and claim that both things can be bad. Keep on pretending!

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's pretty much all the back up one needs.

If that's all you need to accept a wild fucking guess: you do you.

Go ahead and claim that both things can be bad.

Cool, I will.

Keep on pretending!

... that two things can be bad at the same time? Are you claiming that I "pretend" that malaria and the flu are both bad and actually one of them is great?

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am claiming that you pretend malaria and bad humors are both bad. One exists. The other doesn't. You don't seem to have the willingness to acknowledge that. The social credit score in China that effects individuals does not exist. Sure. You can say both the US credit scoring system and the nonexistent Chinese personal social credit score are bad, but that would be foolish.

You could be saying that the US credit score system and the Chinese social credit score that is used to manage negative externalities of businesses are both bad, but I would disagree with you.

But I am pretty sure you don't know that the social credit score for individuals does not exist.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -3 points 2 days ago
[–] HellieSkellie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If you believe China's social credit system is a good way to "strengthen public trust" then I want to know how you feel about people like Xu Xiaodong, whose social credit was destroyed for exposing fake martial artists and refusing to apologize to them.

[–] InevitableList@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago

If you violate a court order in my country you get sent to prison. China is so progressive that you aren't even put under house arrest for the same offense.

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

The Chinese government ended the pilot programs for social credit scores for individuals in 2019 because the Chinese people didn't want it, so Xu Xiaodong is likely one of those examples where a local government running their implementation of the pilot overreached and the central government, responding to the will of the people, ended it.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 2 days ago

I like that you brought up an example that can be analyzed. The court ordered him to apologize and he didn't follow through, there has to be some consequence to disobeying a judge. But it seems to me they could benefit from less hegemonic judges.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

oriented

I see what you did there.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Could we stop saying "west" when you seem to mean commonwealth?

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

No because France, Portugal, Spain, The Netherlands, and Germany are all problematic in the same ways, as are their colonies, former colonies, contributions to the body of work (like racism), and collaboration with the problems of today (Third Reich, NATO, etc). We could even include more European nations in the list for these same reasons.