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[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

They're losing money mostly because of massive investments in new datacenters and GPUs. Not because people are not willing to pay for using it.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Nope, you'll certainly need a source to back that speculation up.

Half a billion people are "using" AI and the total llm market cap is a few billion. On average, users may be willing to pay up to 50 cents a month for inaccurate word association.

Not even a drop in the buckets companies need to fill up with everything they're spending just on advertising, not to mention infrastructure, utility and upgrade costs.

People are statistically not willing to sustainably pay for llms, even if we assumed the rosy predictions of 20x LLM market caps in a decade.

Devil's advocate: Increased AI cash flow could occur if people don't realize their ai "search results" are paid advertisements, and considering longstanding obliviousness to directed advertising and the recent abolishment of US consumer rights...it could happen.

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

"Nope" implies you already have a source proving me wrong.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes; the included source and explanatory paragraph above in the same comment you are referencing.

Would you care to provide any evidence for your speculation that people are willing to pay enough for AI to sustain its costs?

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Would you care to provide any evidence for your speculation that people are willing to pay enough for AI to sustain its costs?

ChatGPT alone has 800 million weekly users and their total revenue in 2025 was 13 billion with 70% coming from normal users. That's drop in the bucket though considering they've commited to investing a trillion dollars into new computing capacity over the next 10 years.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

This is why you should provide a source, your numbers and associated assumptions are incorrect:

Chatgpt has estimated revenue of 1.3 billion, not 13 billion, neither of which are remotely significant as revenue streams relative to cost.

That's the thrust of my opening paragraph, and then you appear to have taken up my drop in the bucket analogy, so i guess we're on the same page now.

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

You mean the independent source I provided several messages ago you're trying hard not to acknowledge?

You've got to learn personal and community responsibility sooner or later. You can make wild claims, but since they've already been disproved, you're going to have to provide evidence eventually.