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9,227 -- The number of Palestinians killed in Gaza.

144 -- The number of Palestinians killed in the West Bank.

1,400 -- The number of people killed in Israel.

24 -- The number of Israeli soldiers killed since the start of the ground offensive.

23,516 -- The number of Palestinians injured in Gaza.

2,200 -- The number of Palestinians injured in the West Bank.

5,400 -- The number of Israelis injured.

250,000 -- The number of Israelis displaced.

More than 1.4 million -- The number of Palestinians displaced in Gaza.

At least 241 -- The number of soldiers and civilians being held hostage in Gaza.

5 -- The number of hostages released or rescued.

421 -- The number of aid trucks let into Gaza.

33,960 -- The number of residential units destroyed in Gaza.

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[–] DontMakeItTim@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

No mention of Hamas soldiers. Are they not involved in this conflict?

[–] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

On Breaking Points, on Thursday I think, they said 13 Hamas fighters have been killed.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

No mention of number of rockets fired by both sides either.

[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting... What percentage of the deaths do you think are Hamas soldiers?

[–] DontMakeItTim@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have no idea. It’s got to be some non-zero %.

But it is a notable part of the Hamas strategy to not make a distinction between their soldiers and Palestinian civilians, so it’s very difficult to determine.

[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Women and children accounted for 3 out of 5 last I heard (hypothetical child soldiers not withstanding). I believe the ratio is 2 children and one woman, so if we speculate that 4th person is just another civilian male, then 1 out of 5 maybe? Do you think that sounds correct?

[–] Machinist3359@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Extremely generous estimate, Hamas is not half of all Palestinian men.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re assuming women can’t be soldiers or terrorists. It may not be as common but common enough that it’s a bad assumption.

Every other article describes that half the population of Gaza is minors. If so, you could argue that half the innocent victims are likely children

[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel says the group has about 30,000 fighters and an arsenal of rockets, including some with a range of about 250 kilometers (155 miles), and unmanned drones.
2.5 million / 2 = 1.25 million / 30,000 = 41 2/3
So roughly one out of every 40.
10,000 dead would mean about 244 Hamas fighters dead if the distributions were equal
let's say they're not, that they are targeted.
If the number were quartered, that's still 1/10 being killed. 9 civilians to 1 fighter death.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

For sure, it’s a huge tragedy any way you try to look. This is not ok.

I really only object to people claiming there’s a simple solution, because that’s not reality. There’s a lot of history of blood and carnage, and lots of blame in all directions. There’s a reason this region was historically the party of the world where World War III was most likely to start, and you’re not getting anywhere by saying “side x needs to stop doing y”

[–] jaek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It is a notable part of the Israeli strategy to not make a distinction between soldiers and Palestinian civilians

Ftfy