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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So if I send a letter to a real person claiming that I'm god, does that make my claim immediately legitimate, or do we have to wait?

That's not what the Bible is.

Maybe you should listen.

Not once did I advocate against helping the poor?

Yes, sometimes we have to endure defeat, indignities, and abuse, sometimes we must recognize a conflict as unwinnable in the current state of affairs, but that's just a matter of surviving until that state of affairs can be changed. This is a practical, strategic calculation about how to win, it is not the same on giving up all hope of winning, of denouncing winning as immoral, and extolling the "virtue" of submission to authority. Surely you must understand this.

You will never win. No matter the system you will be oppressed until the Kingdom of Heaven comes.

Luke 6:20-26

And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh. “Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man! Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets. “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation. “Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry. “Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep. “Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.

Luke 1:50-53

And his mercy is for those who fear him from generation to generation. He has shown strength with his arm; he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts; he has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate; he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Not once did I advocate against helping the poor?

You will never win. No matter the system you will be oppressed until the Kingdom of Heaven comes.

You are literally advocating against the poor right now. Any hope of actually helping the poor, advancing the people's condition through systemic change, is impossible and a foolish, immoral endeavor, according to you, we should all just suffer and accept whatever oppression and injustice is inflicted on us so that we can get pie in the sky when we die. It's literally exactly what you're saying.

Curiously, the crusades, which were also a political endeavor, do not fall under the same logic (nor does banning abortion, for that matter). Because it was a ruling class endeavor. The ruling class's boot is so far down your throat that you can't even speak coherently.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You are literally advocating against the poor right now. Any hope of actually helping the poor, advancing the people's condition through systemic change, is impossible and a foolish, immoral endeavor, according to you, we should all just suffer and accept whatever oppression and injustice is inflicted on us so that we can get pie in the sky when we die. It's literally exactly what you're saying.

No, I'm just saying that politics cannot replace God.

Curiously, the crusades, which were also a political endeavor, do not fall under the same logic (nor does banning abortion, for that matter). Because it was a ruling class endeavor. The ruling class's boot is so far down your throat that you can't even speak coherently.

It's the ruling class who seems to criticise the Crusades and Christianity the most

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

"Politics replacing God" just means "people advocating for politics you personally disagree with."

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

No, it doesn't. For example, there are some people who have a Christ-centred socialist view. Karl Marx was Antitheist and Materialist. That's my main reason for disagreeing with Marxism.

The reality is that no political system will ever abolish oppression due to The Fall.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The reality is that no political system will ever abolish oppression due to The Fall.

Then it is useless to try to ban abortion or wage holy war against Islam, and you are contradicting yourself.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You can implement measures to reduce oppression, but can never eliminate it.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok then, I want to reduce oppression through Marxism.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 3 weeks ago

That's fair and very respectable, provided Marxism isn't attempting to replace God in this case. Is Marxism antitheist? Probably best to ask an actual marxist instead of listen to what people say about Marxists and what I've observed about The People's Republic of China.