With QBs that have retired in the last 5 years, there are some interesting HOF debates that I see coming up. Right now the sure-fire HOF guys are Brady, Brees, and Rodgers when he retires. The next tier, however, is a lot more interesting. You have Matt Ryan, Big Ben, and Rivers who are all very close. What's interesting is that according to Pro Football Reference's HOF Monitor, they all have fairly similar scores even though they have different resumes. Ryan has the MVP/All-Pro 1 season which is pretty much required unless you have 2 Super Bowls. Ben doesn't have a crazy MVP season, but he does have those 2 Super Bowls and 17 good years. Then Rivers has some crazy counting stats. I think that Ryan and Roethlisberger have a slight edge over Rivers but it is very hard to separate the 3. So my question is do we think any of them make it? If they do it opens up the debate for a lot of players in the future. Also, how do we think the HOF committee weighs Rings/MVPS/All-Pro teams? The media is always so focused on the rings but looking at the resumes of HOF QBs there are a lot more without rings than there are without All-Pro seasons.
Edit: Here is the PFR Monitor. The average HOF QB has a score of 108. Ryan has a score of 106, Ben has a score of 100, and Rivers is at 98.
I think Ben gets in. I think Matty Ice does not. I am genuinely not sure about Rivers.
Ben is sure thing only thing that might hold him off first ballot is his off the field problems but dude has 2 rings and 3 sb appearances
This.
It’s Super Bowl wins, it’s as simple as that. Ben gets in bc he won and the others didn’t. It’s the difference of Goff vs Stafford on the rams. Stafford is a hall of fame QB, Goff as of now is not. Barring injuries, Goff is setup to have a similar career to Ryan and Rivers.
Agreed. Ben is above them imo. Matt and Rivers were good stats QBs with longevity. If it wasn't for 2 Super Bowls against the evil empire, Eli wouldn't have a shot, but that makes him a lock.
I think rivers gets in but it will take a bit. Matt Ryan is a no. I don’t feel like Matt Ryan should be in. He was decent. Big Ben will only get in due to his rings and because he played for the Steelers.
Eli should also not get in
If Ryan seals the deal vs the pats in the Super Bowl, I can see him getting in.
While I generally agree that Ben will get in. I'm not confident he should.
I dont think he cracked top 3 at any point in his career, it was pretty much Brady, Payton, Farve/Rodgers, Brees all above him in his prime years.
I personally want to see the HOF be a lot stricter especially when it comes to QBs and how inflated their stats have gotten recently.
Simple question, was there any stretch during rivers career where you’d say he was the a top 5 guy? Brady, P. Manning, Brees, Rogers and Big Ben were better so he’s not even in the top 5 in his own generation of QBs. He’s got stats, cool, so do plenty of other QBs. I brought this up a few days ago; being top ten in stats doesn’t mean much in the HoF voting because in this day and age the top 10 in stats is filled with your peers. Every good QB is putting up all time numbers so you need something else to separate you and get you into the hall.
Really hate that he gets in but it’s football hall of fame not good person hall of fame
The only reason Ben gets in is his SB wins, but I honestly don't think thats enough. Eli has 2 of those. I don't think any of the 3 should make the HoF.
Rivers is better but Ryan has a better shot at HoF because of the MVP and SB appearance.