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You all better keep that same energy for Ben Roethlesberger that your keeping for Deshaun Watson

Not that the committee weighs PFR HOF score, but there’s an argument to be made about whether a potential candidate should be better than the average HOF player.

It's going to be very interesting to see how they view some of these volume dudes. I think all the 04 1st rounders get in except for jp losman. I also think Matty ice gets in.

It's all weird though because Donovan McNabb won't get in.

Cumulative stats in an era of increasing stat accumulation should not be a factor, unless you have Marino or Brady type excess. Rivers and Ryan are both very good, but never great QBs and aren’t worthy of HoF IMO.

Putting Ben with the likes of a dude who never won a Super Bowl is kind of...shit almost insulting.

Dude went to 3 and won 2 Super Bowls.

I think he'd be the only multi Super Bowl winning qb to NOT make it if he didn't?

Would prefer Ben not getting in. Those super bowls were terrible performances.

That's a guy elevated by the talent around him, not elevating the talent himself.

HOVG in my opinion.

Ben's going in 2nd or 3rd Ballot. He won't go first cause he's an ass. Eli is not quite a lock but is most likely getting in. If Phil makes it in the Hall is a fucking joke and it's discredited. Phil did nothing big his entire career, no wins, trophies or iconic moments.

Ryan and Rivers not winning a chip will keep them out even if i think both have a good case for sneaking in

Ben makes it eventually, Eli is similar to Ben and probably makes it because of the storylines, Ryan doesn't get in (but he would for sure if they won the super bowl, just unlucky for him), rivers doesn't get in either.

I may seemed biased, but if Rivers is in the conversation based on stats alone, then we have to include Romo in the conversation.

IMO, neither did enough to get in. Ben for sure, Matt is a toss up. But I’d lean towards no.

The HOF doesn’t mean shit anymore. Literally everyone gets in, even if they were just mediocre.

Can you tell the story of the NFL without bringing up X player?

You can’t without talking about Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, etc

You can without talking about Rivers, Ryan, etc

That’s the line.

Roethlisberger has the 2 Superbowl wins, plus a 3rd appearance that would have been a 3rd win if not for Fumbly McSlickFingers

He has the Volume stats overall, most wins as a rookie, lead the lead in passing twice, and iirc, the most 500+ yard games in history

They all should get in. The quarterbacks surrounding them are all HOF. Also with some quarterbacks that don’t belong, but are in, such as Namath or Kelly, only heighten the reason for why those 3 should be in.

How you could mention Arron rogers but not Big Ben is ridiculous. Same caliber. Similar stats. Similar accolades.

Rapists should not be elected to the hall of fame.

Big Ben is a lock

The real question is how long do we have to wait for the BOAT Blake Bortles to get his bust in Canton.

You forgot Eli

Ben is a lock and in. The more interesting debate gets when you include Eli. Eli I think has a better chance of getting in than Rivers or Ryan cause of the 2 Super Bowls but week in and out throughout their careers I’m taking Rivers and Ryan as better QBs over Eli

Ben gets in due to the rings. Rivers and Ryan do not. Rivers is basically Tony Romo. Ryan isn’t much higher.

My personal eye test is that only Big Ben belongs among those 3.

Two-ring soup.

Big Ben feels like a lock, I’d lean no for Ryan and Rivers

No chance on Rivers or Ryan. Ben, Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Manning are obvious.

I’d say Ben gets in. Ryan and Rivers I don’t think make it.

Is Brees really a shoe in with no MVPs and only 1 ring?

This thread is nerdy as fuck.

Yall don’t know shit about football.

I’m fine if people don’t think Ryan will get in, just always blows my mind if that same person thinks rivers is more likely. His career is really close to just “matt Ryan with no Super Bowl appearance, one less championship appearance, and no mvp or all pro”.

How is big ben not a sure fire HoFer? He has two rings and put up great statistics.

Big Ben yes... Ryan and Rivers... not a chance.

It's the "Hall of FAME," not the "Hall of BETTER THAN AVERAGE."

The real question is, does Eli get in??

Big Ben shouldn't be in the hall of fame simply bc he's a rapist.

This Eli slander shall not stand.

Matt Ryan. Absolutely not. With that SB win, probably

Big Ben: Absolutely will with the 2 SB

Rivers: Hall of Very Good. On the fence but lack of accolades keeps him out.

Ben is pretty sure fire.

Ben is a lock. Matt Ryan will take some time but I feel like he’ll make it eventually. That MVP greatly helps push him over the line, I feel like

I think Big Ben is the line between getting in and not, if you aren’t above him you won’t make it. You didn’t mention Eli but I think he’s more likely than Rivers tbh.

This game has been around for over 100 years. If you have a resume like the guys in the second tier, you absolutely need to be in. Passing happy era or not. To stay healthy and productive for that long is amazing.

Ben is absolutely getting in with 2 rings and 3 appearances on his resume, alongside all the individual accolades. Ryan and Rivers have the volume stats but were unfortunately just overshadowed by their contemporaries.

Where is Stafford ranked?

Obviously some bias, but I think Ben makes it in and the other two don't. The two rings ALONG with the 17 years of good to great play I think puts him over the other two, and even then Ben isn't a lock like the players above him.

It wouldn't be CRAZY if one of the other two made it in, but I wouldn't place any bets on it.

Big Ben will likely make it because of the two Super Bowls. But it won't be first-ballot

Matt Ryan has the next best chance out of those three, but MVP and Super Bowl appearance doesn't guarantee Hall of Fame - see Rich Gannon, Boomer Esiason, and Ken Anderson. Now granted, it seems Ken Anderson is on a path to get in as per Senior Committee so Matt Ryan could possibly do the same.

Philip Rivers, who I think was great, is probably last in the list. The lack of any Super Bowl appearance is likely his biggest obstacle. Other QBs who didn't make the Super Bowl still had other major achievements to their name, such as Dan Fouts (OPOTY, All-Pros) or Warren Moon (OPOTY, 2nd team All-Pro),

Brady - yes

Rodgers - yes

Brees - yes

Roethlisberger - yes

Manning #3 - yes

Rivers - 50/50, but probably eventually yes

Ryan - no

Mcnabb - no

Romo - no

Smith - no

Wilson - 50/50, but probably eventually yes

Luck - no

Cousins - no

Stafford - unlikely but plausible

Eli Manning lol. It’s funny because Eli has TWO rings and TWO SB MVPs, while being top 10 in most counting stats of all time and is seen as only a borderline case for the HOF like Rivers and Ryan, while Big Ben has 2 SB rings with no SB MVPs and is seen as a lock for the HOF.