Listen, i’m not saying his time isn’t coming to an end at the elite level. But one poor season in 23 years does not call for some of the revisionism occurring here lately. Arguably, the defences he’s still producing (2022, 2021, 2020) have kept the Patriots from rebuilding properly. It isn’t easy in this league to escape from 8-8 hell without a franchise QB.
“Brady made him”. You can use whatever stat you want here, but let’s use the most basic one. Points allowed per game. Of course there are influences here. Time of possession, special teams, ability to generate turnovers. But at its most basic level this is what determines the result of a game.
Brady had 20 seasons as a Patriot. He had a top 10 defence in 17 of them. In 3 super bowl victories, the Patriots played 3 of the top 15 offences in NFL history. 01 Rams, 16 Falcons and 18 Rams. 17 points, 22 points(pick six), 3 points. Even throw the record breaking 04 Colts in there, 3 pts. If we change to PTS per drive, he still has 15 top 10 defences!
Manning had 4, Rodgers had 3, Brees had 2. All three had great ball security and time of possession.
Is Brady the GOAT, yes. His consistency in clutch moments puts him ahead of the likes of Peyton and Rodgers. Did he make Bill the greatest defensive mind in history, no!
Brady record when scoring 20+in the playoffs: 32-4. Rodgers is 12-9 in this statistic for a direct comparison.
Average finish in points per drive among notable QBs
Brady: 9th
Rivers: 15th
Peyton: 18th
Rodgers: 18th
Brees: 20th
Mahomes: 20th
And we are trying to pretend Bill didn’t give Brady a significant advantage over his peers? Another 2 super bowls as a DC.
I'm not a Belichick fan, but this is true.
Brady's success came with playing well with good defenses. His move to TB was gain skill WR and an elite Defense.
Its why I'll never believe he ever even considered us as an option (as much as people like to believe Carr was 'that motherfucker'). Our defense has been absolute ass until this year (middle of the pack woo!). There is no way he would have been willing to come play for a team that didn't have an elite D.
Defensive stats get boosted when the offense is good because the offense is able to stay on the field and eat clock time, score points, and doesn't require a "defensive win" to get a real win.
Conversely, a bad offense can make a good defense look worse since the defense spends more time on the field and needs to take risks to make plays in order to have a shot at winning.
How do you separte them? Well, counterfactuals are hard...
Not to mention... Plenty of defense as good as the Patriots don't even make the playoffs when they don't have a great QB...