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Listen, i’m not saying his time isn’t coming to an end at the elite level. But one poor season in 23 years does not call for some of the revisionism occurring here lately. Arguably, the defences he’s still producing (2022, 2021, 2020) have kept the Patriots from rebuilding properly. It isn’t easy in this league to escape from 8-8 hell without a franchise QB.

“Brady made him”. You can use whatever stat you want here, but let’s use the most basic one. Points allowed per game. Of course there are influences here. Time of possession, special teams, ability to generate turnovers. But at its most basic level this is what determines the result of a game.

Brady had 20 seasons as a Patriot. He had a top 10 defence in 17 of them. In 3 super bowl victories, the Patriots played 3 of the top 15 offences in NFL history. 01 Rams, 16 Falcons and 18 Rams. 17 points, 22 points(pick six), 3 points. Even throw the record breaking 04 Colts in there, 3 pts. If we change to PTS per drive, he still has 15 top 10 defences!

Manning had 4, Rodgers had 3, Brees had 2. All three had great ball security and time of possession.

Is Brady the GOAT, yes. His consistency in clutch moments puts him ahead of the likes of Peyton and Rodgers. Did he make Bill the greatest defensive mind in history, no!

Brady record when scoring 20+in the playoffs: 32-4. Rodgers is 12-9 in this statistic for a direct comparison.

Average finish in points per drive among notable QBs

Brady: 9th

Rivers: 15th

Peyton: 18th

Rodgers: 18th

Brees: 20th

Mahomes: 20th

And we are trying to pretend Bill didn’t give Brady a significant advantage over his peers? Another 2 super bowls as a DC.

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[–] ShogunNamedMarcus_@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Bill is still the best HC in the NFL imo. Unfortunately, he has one of the worst GMs(himself) in the NFL providing him with subpar talent. Brady covered for this on offense, HC Bill covered for this on defense, and combined, they made for the GOAT dynasty.

Brady got the last laugh by going to a stacked, well coached team and winning another Ring, while Bill takes all the heat for not winning with a shit team. But let Bill have his pick of teams in the NFL to go coach next year, and I'd be willing to bet he makes it to the Super Bowl in this unprovable hypothetical. The Patriots play better than they should on paper, and every Bill coached team will, but that only goes so far. Until he steps down as GM, or hits on the next Tom Brady, Bill is going to continue to struggle to put up wins.