Listen, i’m not saying his time isn’t coming to an end at the elite level. But one poor season in 23 years does not call for some of the revisionism occurring here lately. Arguably, the defences he’s still producing (2022, 2021, 2020) have kept the Patriots from rebuilding properly. It isn’t easy in this league to escape from 8-8 hell without a franchise QB.
“Brady made him”. You can use whatever stat you want here, but let’s use the most basic one. Points allowed per game. Of course there are influences here. Time of possession, special teams, ability to generate turnovers. But at its most basic level this is what determines the result of a game.
Brady had 20 seasons as a Patriot. He had a top 10 defence in 17 of them. In 3 super bowl victories, the Patriots played 3 of the top 15 offences in NFL history. 01 Rams, 16 Falcons and 18 Rams. 17 points, 22 points(pick six), 3 points. Even throw the record breaking 04 Colts in there, 3 pts. If we change to PTS per drive, he still has 15 top 10 defences!
Manning had 4, Rodgers had 3, Brees had 2. All three had great ball security and time of possession.
Is Brady the GOAT, yes. His consistency in clutch moments puts him ahead of the likes of Peyton and Rodgers. Did he make Bill the greatest defensive mind in history, no!
Brady record when scoring 20+in the playoffs: 32-4. Rodgers is 12-9 in this statistic for a direct comparison.
Average finish in points per drive among notable QBs
Brady: 9th
Rivers: 15th
Peyton: 18th
Rodgers: 18th
Brees: 20th
Mahomes: 20th
And we are trying to pretend Bill didn’t give Brady a significant advantage over his peers? Another 2 super bowls as a DC.
He is literally the greatest defensive coach of all time and I don't think even the biggest BB haters can contest that.
But for anyone who thinks Belichick is some chud who was totally carried by Brady, I'll ask this: what would a great coach have done with the GOAT? Win 6 Super Bowls? Make it to 13 Conference Championships? Have a win percentage over 75%? Belichick did all of that.
AFC Championship was basically the Patriots' invitational. Not getting there was perceived as a massive failure and legitimately a bad season.
Mike Tomlin is out here turning in winning season after winning season with the corpse of Big Ben, Mason Rudolph, Trubisky, and Pickett.
Belichick loses the GOAT QB and immediately has one of the worst records in the league, for 4 straight seasons.
BB career record as a head coach without Brady is below 0.500.
How much of that reputation is due to having the signals of opposing coordinators on recordings for a large proportion of this tenure? We can’t say that there were not other undiscovered advantages as well.
Buddy Ryan was the best defensive coach of all time.
I'm almost 100% sure that Brady would have done all this given any other coach. BB would have not. I don't know why you all in this thread don't mention the fact that Brady has won SB in his very first season without BB. With Bruce Arians who hadn't played a single SB before Brady!