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Listen, i’m not saying his time isn’t coming to an end at the elite level. But one poor season in 23 years does not call for some of the revisionism occurring here lately. Arguably, the defences he’s still producing (2022, 2021, 2020) have kept the Patriots from rebuilding properly. It isn’t easy in this league to escape from 8-8 hell without a franchise QB.

“Brady made him”. You can use whatever stat you want here, but let’s use the most basic one. Points allowed per game. Of course there are influences here. Time of possession, special teams, ability to generate turnovers. But at its most basic level this is what determines the result of a game.

Brady had 20 seasons as a Patriot. He had a top 10 defence in 17 of them. In 3 super bowl victories, the Patriots played 3 of the top 15 offences in NFL history. 01 Rams, 16 Falcons and 18 Rams. 17 points, 22 points(pick six), 3 points. Even throw the record breaking 04 Colts in there, 3 pts. If we change to PTS per drive, he still has 15 top 10 defences!

Manning had 4, Rodgers had 3, Brees had 2. All three had great ball security and time of possession.

Is Brady the GOAT, yes. His consistency in clutch moments puts him ahead of the likes of Peyton and Rodgers. Did he make Bill the greatest defensive mind in history, no!

Brady record when scoring 20+in the playoffs: 32-4. Rodgers is 12-9 in this statistic for a direct comparison.

Average finish in points per drive among notable QBs

Brady: 9th

Rivers: 15th

Peyton: 18th

Rodgers: 18th

Brees: 20th

Mahomes: 20th

And we are trying to pretend Bill didn’t give Brady a significant advantage over his peers? Another 2 super bowls as a DC.

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[–] No_Reason5341@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Saw this post earlier and specifically came back to it so I could weigh in.

The way Belichick is looked at perfectly encapsulates the modern fan.

You win as many Super Bowls as the most successful franchises in the sport, appear in about half of the Super Bowls over 2 decades, bring the Cleveland Browns back to relevancy (they were the favorite in the AFC in 95' before the team was moved), you are the defensive mastermind behind 2 Super Bowl victories as the Giants defensive coordinator, you draft AND mentor the QB everyone uses to discredit you (who you found at spot 199 in the 6th round). You ran the whole operation. Everything. For 6 Super Bowls in an era where players moved around a lot and parity should have been at an all time high. But you destroyed parity because you and an incredible QB existed. And you worked well together, at least until the end.

This man was taking 5'8" dudes, plugging them in, and making warriors out of them. First down machines. You gave Brady and him Randy Moss and they almost went 19-0!

Brady wins a Super Bowl with a very good roster and coach in Tampa, so now Belichick is a bum. Well, yeah, hard to win when you lose a Hall of Fame QB and TE (Gronk). How would Reid look without Mahomes and Kelce in KC? Or without Dawkins and TO in Philly?

All this for a bunch of nephews to act like you are some mediocre bum.

I hope BB continues to coach and the game doesn't pass him by. He has made some bad picks. But give him a QB and 2-3 years and get the hell out of the way. It looks like they may finally be bad enough to take one of the better prospects.

tldr; lots of sports fans have memories like freaking goldfishes.