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[–] thlibos@thelemmy.club 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think we all know who Tesla's worst enemy is...

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tesla.

Even before Musk went full mask-off, they only had a single practical vehicle- the Model Y.

Model S and X are priced like super cars.

Model 3 is impractical, being a Sedan/Saloon with a fixed rear wall behind the rear seats (it's not a hatchback)

Model Y is the only one that's both practical and mildly affordable (it's still overpriced) - but you'd be better served by a BYD Atto3 for a third of (~AU$35k) the price and the same build quality.

(Atto1 is about a quarter of the price AU$24k vs. AU$96k, but it's not the same build quality, Atto1 is built-to-a-price and that price is low...) (none of the listed prices are drive-away)

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

just a friendly reminder that BYD is heavily subsidized by the Chinese government specifically to provide this edge in competitiveness.

[–] totesmygoat@piefed.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Wait until you find out how much is given to north American car manufacturers. They build low quality overpriced crap. Time for a shake up. I'm glad they are afraid of Chinese cars coming to Canada. This is the same BS when the Japanese cars arrived.

[–] deHaga@feddit.uk 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Do you know how much money Tesla got from government tax credits?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

he U.S. federal government extended approximately $80 billion to $85 billion in loans, grants, and financing to bail out the American auto industry, primarily General Motors and Chrysler, during the financial crisis in 2008 and 2009.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A bit more than 3 billion, a fair amount of it from state and local sources. Also, much of not exclusive to Tesla. (though in practice much of it was, simply because for the longest time was the only real EV manufacturer.

On the other hand, BYD received a bit less than 4 billion in subsidies that were exclusive to BYD.

The US EV subsidies weren't about increasing competitiveness on foreign markets, but rather to increase adoption of EV's domestically. That is untrue of BYD's subsidies.

[–] deHaga@feddit.uk 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Try 15 billion when you include all the carbon credits

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Still way off from the $85B the US government handed out to the Detroit big three.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

and how many has BYD accrued and sold? they're available to BYD every bit as much as Tesla.

Musk is a nazis, and he profits every second from Tesla. but that doesn't make BYD the good guys.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

AFAIK you can't get BYD Atto3 in USA or any other ordinary BYD car, because USA won't allow competition, and has posted steep tariffs on cars from China and EU.
So how the fuck would BYD have received carbon credits for 10 years where thy haven't been able to sell cars in USA?

Tesla is every bit as protected and subsidized as any Chinese brand.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

AFAIK you can't get BYD Atto3 in USA or any other ordinary BYD car, because USA won't allow competition

BYD has yet to submit vehicles for FMVS certification. At least as far as passenger vehicles go.

We do have BYD commercial vehicles. Mostly buses, including the largest order for buses- in LA’s transit system… which, to be clear would make it eligible to sell carbon credits from CA’s carbon regulation…

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

BYD has yet to submit vehicles for FMVS certification.

And why would they do that? Kind of hard to compete with 200% tariffs on.

[–] deHaga@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

BYD actually pay tax though which funds other things. How much has Tesla paid?

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

0 because they're not being sold?

[–] deHaga@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago

Close to zero because they also get government R&D credits

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Name a US automaker, including Tesla that is not heavily subsidized by governments.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

We no longer have an auto industry in Australia, so BYD can subsidise all they want. Cheaper cars for us.