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[–] abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know, and you don't need to point to Operation Northwoods to "prove" anything because American Government officials have proposed much worse things and have done much worse things.

Like MacArthur proposed using nukes like conventional bombs to completely irradiate the Korean - Chinese Border. This would not merely kill Millions, perhaps billions, but it would cause a nuclear winter. For that, MacArthur was dismissed. That was a proposal.

What people forget is that MacArthur fired upon American World War One vets protesting to get their War bonuses because of the depression during the Bonus War. You don't need to make up conspiracies, what governments have already done/doing are bad enough.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For MacArthur, that plan, while horrific, wasn't as bad as you're painting it, if only because the bombs would have been much lower yield than modern nukes.

It would kill millions, especially if he used ground burst instead of air burst, but the actual global effect would be negligible. Cancer rates would spike in Northern Japan, but the fallout would mostly be over water.

Air burst would have even less effect, because there would be no fallout. (fallout is stuff from the ground that gets mixed with the radioactive material and free neutrons in a ground burst nuclear explosion, it's heavy so it falls out)

Still an insane plan and MacArthur was justly fired for it and a bunch of other similar insanity, I just wish the Dulles brothers had been similarly fired for the shit they pulled.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah, great, no fallout, fuck that is great super lets detonate millions and the radiatorn will go in the ocean yay it's not so bad yay

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You do know that uranium oxide is water soluble right? The ocean has more radioactive material in it than the land does, also water is very good at blocking radiation. That's why it's used for spent fuel cooling pools.

So the physics says that if you're going to have fallout, the ocean is the best place for it. Provided that the fallout doesn't float. Then it will most likely end up washing up on the shores of Japan.

The key here is that the bombs available in 1950 were orders of magnitude weaker than modern nukes.

Castle Brovo alone was stronger than every bomb from the MacArthur plan combined.

Using hundreds of Castle Brovo sized bombs would fuck up the world, using the bombs MacArthur had access to? Not as much.