I won't speak for Geneva (Geneva isn't a Marxist) but Marxists advocate for revolutionary party building. You can't force a revolution into happening, but you can absolutely prepare for one and build the organ needed to carry it out. Herr's a good diagram:

This explains the role of the party in forming a vanguard. This is the historically proven revolutionary strategy that has established socialism in many countries around the world.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm not condemning those actually fighting the empire for a start.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago

You do condemn those fighting the empire, though. That's why it's necessary to both read and practice, not coast by on instinct alone. You have decent political instincts, but instead you obsess over Bad Empanada thought and treat it as a substitute for reading, and posting as a substitute for practice. It's ultimately online progressivism at best, and is why it rings extraordinarily hollow when coming from you, especially as you haven't given any indication of reading or practicing, let alone both.

[+] BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago

You aren't talking to a Marxist-Leninist, Geneva doesn't identify as such and does not read theory nor practice in a communist party. I do think Geneva's critique rings hollow, considering that.

That pretty much confirms my personal stereotypes on Marxist Lenninists. Talk constantly about how we need to act more and think less to achieve something while simultaneously doing nothing to enact positive change in the world.

This is bullshit. MLs say we need to act and think more, and do so by organizing in communist parties. From the Black Panther Party to PSL in the US, communist parties have been doing real organizing work, and that's not to mention the orgs that have already succeeded like the CPC.

You guys are stuck in the authoritarian mindset, just like capitalists are stuck in the capitalist mindset. You can’t imagine any real alternative to the status quo

This is blind, vibes-based critique. "Authoritarian mindset" isn't a thing. The problems with organizing in the west are not due to lacking in imagination, to the contrary, western "left" anti-communists let their imagination lead them to opposing real, existing socialism.

you just idealize people that pretended to do so in the past (Lennin, Stalin, Mao). But power and exploitation is still just that. Regardless of if private oligarchs enact it or the state.

This is further bullshit. Marxists of the past that successfully established socialism weren't "pretending" to do so. Ironically, it's yourself that is idealizing them into "Great Men of History," and cutting out the billions of people that organized to create real socialism. MLs do not idolize Marxist figures, we study them, their contributions, their struggles, their successes and their failures, so that we can continue to sharpen our theory to guide our practice. Marxism is a science, not a dogma.

You people need to grow up and actually try to do something that changes the world for the better, not just argue with anarchists online.

I agree, though most of us that are committed enough are already organizing in real life too.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So in other words you like to conclude a lot from no info of what I do.

Anarchists try to not pretend to have the moral high ground while doing absolutely nothing to fight the empire difficulty level: impossible.

[–] BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Answer my question then.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What idiot would snitch on their own activities for online karma points? Wait let me guess: Anarchists.

[–] buprenorffy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm curious what tendency of leftist you do consider yourself, if any. Clearly you're not an anarchist, u/Cowbee who I trust said above that you do not consider yourself a Marxist-Leninst. What tendency do you come closest to aligning with?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Geneva blocked me so they can't see what I write, but if I were to describe Geneva I would say generally anti-imperialist with strong Bad Empanada influence. Geneva frequently runs into problems due to not reading theory, though, and also often accuses allies of being enemies.

For example, Geneva will take any opportunity to bash China for not doing enough, even if they are helping, and has been banned from Hexbear for accusing users of being "transzionists," which is ridiculous. Geneva is frequently correct due to being anti-west, but without a strong basis in theory and practice this is as far as you can go.