Memes

Like i said. It is a show of numbers and willingness.

Marxists do not dogmatically oppose voting. Like the PSL example, we oppose the idea that we even can use electoralism as a vehicle for change.

Your lack of willingness to show up to primaries or even get your own party on a ballot means you are likely not going to show up somewhere with a rifle.

This doesn't follow logically, and further I already showed how PSL tries to get on ballots, but is rejected by the capitalist electoral system itself. You're continuing to argue against strawmen.

Your arguments about “the elite won’t let us win” is meaningless too.

How so? We have countless historical examples of the capitalist state crushing legal forms of "resistance," using the very same legal structures or even extra-legal structures, because said legal structures are designed to protect the system and resist change.

Everyone will see eachother at the poll and know they have the numbers to force the issue at a fraudulent election.

This is a view entirely divorced from historical analysis of socialist struggles. I implore you, study socialist history.

Note that I never said elections are the end all be all for change and reform; just that we are foolish to ignore this aspect of organizing and getting our message out.

Then the MLs you speak of that oppose this use of electoral systems do not exist, and you are therefore arguing against ghosts and strawmen. Again, see PSL and how it treats elections.

What do you mean? The part where I said mls are unwilling to build coalitions and engage with elections to bring about short term relief; where you have then step in to the thread to show that you are unwilling to do so?

You're discussing 2 different things:

1. Marxists opposing Electoralism as a vehicle for change, what you call "short term relief," which is a practical impossibility and not a question of "purity"

2. Marxists "opposing" using electoral systems for agitation and advertising our positions. This is utterly false, though, as the aforementioned PSL example proves.

I can't sprout wings and fly, but that's not because I'm unwilling to, it's just impossible, and therefore I suggest people stop thinking that they can do so to change the lightbulb. I'm more than willing to demonstrate the unfeasibility by jumping, and trying to do so, but these are separate ideas.

Marxists believe 2 things, neither of which have to do with "purity:"

1. Electoralism within capitalism cannot be used for change, not should not.

2. Marxist parties can run in elections to prove the former and advertise themselves.

You're arguing against a strawman that does not exist.