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But nobody is saying we should ignore elections. We are saying elections cannot get positive change. This is a massive difference, yet you act like it's the same.
And yet you put so much effort into telling me why you are not going to help us get the left most candidate possible. You're the one effectively saying we should ignore elections.
No, I'm saying you're fighting a losing battle by thinking you can get a left candidate through, so the way you treat elections should be to highlight the impossibility of getting a left candidate through so as to encourage actual activism.
Do it anyway.
No one is arguing that we shouldn't, which is my point. Are you allergic to actually engaging with the points at hand, rather than consistently making them up to argue against?
I am engaging at the same level you are.
No, you really aren't.
I feel I am. I have presented my case. You're the one that wants to be counter productive and making excuses for people to stay home. "There will be opposition", brov there will be in each case. Just take an evening to vote its a small ask; the fact its too big for you means we cannot count on you for the bigger stuff.
I don't see why you think lying about my position is doing you any favors, I already told you I voted. The fact that you put such a huge emphasis on voting and arguing for it means you likely cannot be depended on to actually take to the streets and roll up your sleeves.
Glad you did, please help encourage more people to do so as well. We could all have an even bigger leftist movement. Voting is only a small part of what we need to do, but we should not neglect it.
You're tiring. Voting will not meaningfully advance the leftist movement beyond advertisement, and acting like this stance is counter-productive is harmful to getting meaningful change.
Bold assumption that ICE isn't an active threat to myself and those I care about, and no matter what the election results show, ICE is still a bipartisan institution. What stops ICE is organizing, striking, and protesting, not whether or not I vote Green, PSL, etc. ICE doesn't give a shit who people voted for, they aren't a democratic institution, they are here to forcibly deport and kill people.
Enjoy your privledge, where you think voting is a meaningful way to resist ICE.
Voting does not accomplish that! Voting will NOT make you heard and voting will NOT minimize harm. Your insistence that it does accomplish these things is what is harmful.
Telling people to do useless things saps their energy away from doing things that actually are meaningful like organizing. Voting is used as a tool by the bourgeois to get people to think they "did their duty" politically, so they can relax and not worry about having to do more even though "more" is still the bare minimum (voting is less than bare minimum). You have been duped by the bourgeois. Smarten up.