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For me it's any roguelike (or roguelite) I try. I may find the premise of the gameplay interesting, but having to replay the run from the start (while very likely not learning anything new, because I can't repeat the situation that gave me trouble before) ruins it pretty quickly. Even the ones I kinda like (Rabbit And Steel and One Step From Eden) can't keep my attention for long and I end up playing them very rarely.
Metaprogression in roguelites makes it even worse because I know that the runs are gonna be unfair from the start to make the upgrades work.
Ended up ranting about metaprogression, oh well.
I appreciate games that know what they want to be, and have an intended difficulty for you to experience/master (I also have nothing against adjustable difficulty and/or accessibility options, but I like knowing what the devs expected). I also appreciate roguelikes' uncompromising approach, with the original concepts like non-modality, and expecting you to face challenges to get rewarded instead of bypassing them.
Metaprogression... Goes three ways. There are games which get easier as you upgrade across runs (which either get easier than they should or start too difficult), games where beating them at a difficulty unlocks harder difficulties (love that, as long as there aren't too many things to separately unlock, since it lets you ramp things up to your comfortable difficulty while providing a ultimate challenge to reach), and games where you unlock content as you play (can be good for easing players into the game, but take it too far and you're back to having to put X hours into the game to get the full experience)
Slay the Spire, Dead Cells, Luck be a Landlord do the second (StS has ascensions, Dead Cells has IIRC boss cells, LbaL has floors), but they do things differently in other regards. StS has you unlocking content based on accumulated score across runs with a specific character, but it doesn't take too long. It also has a true ending that you can't do on your first runs. Dead Cells seems to have a ton of content and upgrades that take a long time to unlock. LbaL doesn't have any other metaprogression IIRC, but it does lock at least two important mechanics to specific floors (and up).
I hadn't considered unlocking difficulties as metaprogression, but yea in that case I think it's a fair mechanic (to be clear, I tend to drop these games when I get to the inevitable difficulty spike at the final area/boss, so I haven't really experienced it, as the only one I can clear is Rabbit and Steel which has a traditional easy/normal/hard/harder selection).
Unlocking content to ease players in I think is weird and counter productive, as often even failing gets you further in the process and you might not have learned what the game was trying to teach you by delaying something. You might then be in a slightly harder game without having progressed as a player.
What I really don't like are the permanent leveling/modifiers you find in games like Hades. I feel like they go against the basic idea of a rougelike/lite, since you can/need (depending on the game) to grind.
Exactly. I really went all in on rogue lite/like games last year to see what the hype was about and I came out with mixed opinions. I don't hate the genre like I did before but I also don't love it. I played balatro, megabonk, ball x pit, etc. I enjoy the randomness but sometimes it starts giving me a headache.