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Perhaps you’ve noticed. We have reached a tipping point in the country over tipping.

To tip or not to tip has led to Shakespearean soliloquies by customers explaining why they refuse to tip for certain things.

During the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, customers were grateful for those who seemingly risked their safety so we could get groceries, order dinner or anything that made our lives feel normal. A nice tip was the least we could do to show gratitude.

But now that we are out about and back to normal, the custom of tipping for just about everything has somehow remained; and customers are upset.

A new study from Pew Research shows most American adults say tipping is expected in more places than it was five years ago, and there’s no real consensus about how tipping should work.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (25 children)

it's not your waiter's fault that they're stuck in a scam on the scale of a whole culture

[–] Taringano@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Taringano@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Ah.. My bad :(

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It is of you decide they can starve over it.

When sustainable wage ain't the minimum wage tipping ain't a reward for good service, it's the wage earner's solidarity tax.

[–] EurekaStockade@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not the fault of the employer who's underpaying them?

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It can be multiple people's fault at once. You're still the one stiffing them until the law makes their employers pay them fairly, don't like it, don't use the services.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Tipping is depending on the kindness of strangers. Don't like it, don't get a job that requires tips to survive.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you don't want to tip then don't ask for the service of tipped workers and get pissy that they ask for a crumb of solidarity while the fight for a living wage remains ongoing.

Don't like tipping, go grocery shopping for your food and cook for your own selfish ass self.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Goes both ways. Don't like it if a person decides not to tip, which is well within their rights? Get a different job rather than continuing to support an industry that's exploiting your labor even more than most do.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Nah, you're the cheepo who doesn't wanna pay the real price for the service they're getting.

People like you are why "but it'll raise prices!" is viewed as a main argument against living wages.

Fuckin' cheapskate you are, when you catch something when the barista you short changed spits in your drink, remember how bravely and nobly you carried the cross of "fuck you gimme a free burger."

[–] Benj1B@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Dude. Get help.

[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

If you were trying to convince me that tipping is trash culture for petty, entitled dipshits, you've succeeded

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nah, the employers are the cheapos who want the customers to pay their employees' wages. If an employee is such a raging asshole that they'd spit in a customer's drink, they most certainly don't deserve any kind of tip and at that point it's extortion. "That's a nice drink you have there...be a shame if someone spit in it."

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It is of you decide they can starve over it.

Wanting them to work somewhere with they are paid fairly does not equate to that you have no problem with them starving.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It does when you don't tip them.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

No, it doesn't.

You can wish the best for them, and want them to have a happy and healthy life, and not tip them when they don't do anything deserving of a tip.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Deserve ain't the metric when they're being paid below a living wage.

You're arguing they should provide five star service and suck your dick to "deserve" not needing to choose between heating and electricity that month.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Deserve ain’t the metric when they’re being paid below a living wage.

The two are not connected though either.

You’re arguing they should provide five star service and suck your dick to “deserve” not needing to choose between heating and electricity that month.

No, I'm not. Please don't put words in my mouth, especially emotionally hyperbolic ones.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nah, when you're saying you don't have to tip in these times that's exactly what you're saying fuckin' moocher.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nah, when you’re saying you don’t have to tip in these times that’s exactly what you’re saying

That's not what I'm saying. Stop being emotionally hyperbolic and putting words in my mouth, its intellectually dishonest of you to do so, and loses any credibility for the point you are arguing for.

For the record, tip someone if they have earned it, or if you feel sorry for them as a form of charity, but not because you are obligated to do so. Let the company they work for pay them a living wage, its not the customers responsiblity to do so.

fuckin’ moocher.

So mature. Carry on, Internet Warrior.

[–] SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago

Cool cool cool - so we have the solution. After everyone who got bamboozled to work a job without compensation starved the tip crisis is over. Problem solved; just wait it out.

[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

A waiter isn't going to starve because I didn't tip them.

gtfo with that solidarity tax bullshit lol

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