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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 26 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated

[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Let's discuss how the number of arms per capita correlates with workers' rights?

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The problem is that every single gun law made in modern day is explicitly made to empower the police and protect the bourgeoisie.

[–] TheKingBombOmbKiller@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Do you have an example of this?

[–] nagaram@startrek.website 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Tax stamps (recently repealed)

For the longest time, if you wanted certain types of weapons, you had to pay a $200 tax to own that weapon. These include surpressors, full auto guns, short barrel rifles, and short barrel shotguns

The point wasn't to ban these things it was to make them prohibitively expensive because "its the poor's who vomit violence". And this tax was implemented in the 1940's where $200 was off 2 or 4 times the cost of the gun itself.

A different example is gun registries and concealed carry license databases. I don't trust the police to act calm when interacting with me when they know I have a gun. There are special classes that CCL holders take often so that they know how to read a cop and keep them calm during a traffic stop or a welfare check because cops are trained to shoot first and are very scared of the masses.

Think of Paretti here. Shot dead for having a gun. People blamed it on the ICE agent being a violent fascist thug trained like that. I don't see it that way. I think he operated like a cop who was told no consequences.

We have videos of cops approaching black men, committing the crime of being in white people spaces, who ask them if they have a gun, the man says yes, the cop tells them at gun point to pull it out and drop it, and then shoost the man when he touches the gun.

I don't trust police to use surveillance state information like who owns what guns in a way that won't get me killed. Its why I'm still hesitant to get any tax stamp items. I'd love an SBR, but then I am legally required to let the ATF "inspect" my home if they ask me to. I have to tell the ATF when and where I'm moving to if I change states.

[–] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

Make your own SBR and keep it on the hush. It's only illegal if you get caught.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Have you looked at every gun law drafted in the last 20 years? Every single one banning certain classes of guns only targets "assault weapons", and every time, they have exemptions for cops or ex-cops. Handguns kill significantly more people, but "assault weapons" are scary and make liberal suburbans feel mortal for once so they irrationally hate them.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

Handguns kill significantly more people, but "assault weapons" are scary and make liberal suburbans feel mortal for once so they irrationally hate them.

Because assault weapon are, like you said, being banned left and right, so handgun are more accessible than assault weapon.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

that’s a load of crap… australia had a mass shooting, we banned guns, now we have no more gun problem… the police have literally nothing to do with it

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ask an aboriginal what they think of the police.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

ah yes of course and that’s a simple problem rather than a complex web of interconnected issues

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 11 points 3 weeks ago

Anyway here's the full meme for those ignorant. Guns on the hands of workers are an important part of worker's rights.

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[–] RustySharp@programming.dev 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Okay, but where are these American arm-bearing workers? What are they waiting for?

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)
[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 4 points 3 weeks ago

We really need to work on that. But, irresponsibility and violence is not a them vs us problem. Stockpile guns and there’s still the potential that no matter how just your cause, when you use them innocents will get caught in the crossfire. So, what’s your angle? Do you want American workers to disarm or do you want American workers to take up arms against fascism?

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So they just sit on the gun for no purpose? Last i checked the worker is extra fucked right now, while ICE is often defeated not with gun, but continuously harassment from the public. Last i checked Charlie Kirk aren't killed by some frustrated worker.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's something that most resistance groups know about that is called "winning the narrative". If you open fire first, it's easier for the government to justify cracking down on you as a "violent terrorist".

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah the narrative NRA wrote.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm sure you'll be able to win against full-blown fascism with strongly worded letters. Ask Neville Chamberlain to know how that went.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 weeks ago

In the mean time the fact remain that people with gun took no action against their facist government who cause suffering within the country and globally, while people without gun able to drive off ICE without violence. Maybe the narrative here is to wait till the current facist government turn nazi then they claim to be hero idk.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

Well the state of New York claims they have one in prison, but I think they're wrong.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thousands of children may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Cops (aka class traitors) have killed 33x more people than mass shootings since 1982. But sure, we're the ones sacrificing children.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A. This is obvious whataboutism. Yes, you are literally the ones sacrificing children. The fact that you are sacrificing less children doesn't let you off the hook.

B. Cops in the UK don't kill nearly so many children because most of the cops are unarmed. They are unarmed because mostly everyone is unarmed. Cops killing more children (not to mention everyone else) is literally a consequence of everyone having guns.

Come on my dude, if you think the dead kids are an acceptable cost, then just admit it. Even the right wing talking heads can do that.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Cops in America don't need guns for 90% of the stuff they do, no matter how armed the population is. They're the actual nutjobs with guns. They're the ones killing people over getting talked smack back or over a fucking wallet. And even if cops started getting killed from not having guns, so what? THEIR JOB is to sacrifice themselves for the public good. They can just have SWAT at the ready and have unarmed cops do almost everything. You don't need a fucking gun to radar cars in the highway, write tickets, go to someone's burgled house to take a note they'll eventually lose, or bother someone over the position of their stereo knob.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What's your point exactly? Why the fuck are you talking about cops? The simple proposition being discussed is "it would be better if there were fewer guns". I never said there should be a special exemption for cops. No one mentioned cops until you did.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

β€œit would be better if there were fewer guns”

There are 470 million guns in the US. This conversation is a non-starter. You are not putting that ketchup back in the bottle. Not without causing millions of deaths. It would be exactly what ICE is doing, except everyone's got guns.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Silence peasant. You lack the necessary qualifications to interpret the old texts, leave that to your betters.