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China isn't as successful at imperialism as the Americans. The American ruling class is just... Too good at being evil.
Doesn't mean that China and Russia aren't imperialist though. They're just unable to beat the US... For now...
China and Russia are taking over in the soft imperialism department, because some billionaire moron had to kill USAID. Let's hope their soft imperialism won't have really bad consequences human rights-wise (though the US also had a spotty record with that).
Looking at human rights in russia... doesn't look too good, chief, not gonna lie. At least China pretends for the media.
Unless the media wants to check up on the Uyghurs.
Dude... idk how I fell into it but there's an account here on lemmy that goes around commenting shit like "fake news" and "your American state media lies to you and its so easy" on posts calling out what China is doing to Uyghurs. Basically denying any wrongdoing by China. Idk if they're a bot or state agent or paid actor or what. I wonder if they'll make an appearance on this post...
Ahh just scrolled further and they're here lol. Name is Cowbee. The account is 2 years old, 17,000 comments. All they do is post pro-china shit everywhere they can.
Cowbee is basically the tankie supreme, yeah. They love China and russia
https://lemmy.today/search?q=china&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=19793285&page=1&sort=TopAll&titleOnly=false
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Sounds like you hate China way more than litteral genociders, fatso
projecting much? had too many boot-shaped lollipops?
Said the dude rooting for Ukraine while waiting for his KFC bucket lmao. You better eat healthier if you wanna survive when you'll be drafted there to defend the empire
Yeah, I think I made a pretty strong refute of his points in this comment.
I'm just impressed with how long you must've spent researching to make that response, we need more people like this when debating tankies.
If the genocidees were the genociders they would be genociding too see Hamas is bad guys
Schizophrenia is a serious mental health condition that affects how people think, feel and behave. It may result in a mix of hallucinations, delusions, and disorganized thinking and behavior. Hallucinations involve seeing things or hearing voices that aren't observed by others.
Nobody care about your problem. Go take risperozine or whatever its called.
Give them a few years. The belt and road initiative is set to bring levels of exploitation and wealth extraction never before seen. China gets shit done when it wants to and understands the long game.
This is pure projection.
China is not debt trapping poor African nations. We can see that this isn't the case when we can observe countries in BRI engaging in rapid development and industrializing, and this is confirmed by China forgiving tons of debt. The goal of China isn't to make countries reliant on them, or to earn money from debt, it's because China gains personally through mutual development. Here are some articles debunking the "debt trap" myth:
Five Imperialist Myths About China's Role in Africa
China debt trap? PH an 'expert in bad loans,' Locsin says
Deborah Brautigam Debunks the Chinese Debt Trap Theory in New Research Paper
China's Debt Relief for Africa: Emerging Deliberations
There are many more examples I can use. China isn't doing this out of the goodness of their own heart, but because they stand to gain from mutual development. A more developed global south means China is less reliant on the US Empire as a customer, provides new avenues to facilitate trade, and creates more markets for customers. The west harvests the global south for cheap labor and resources, and we can see hard comparisons in data between BRI participants and those imperialized by the west to see fundamentally different results.
Don't forget that China recently removed all tariffs from Africa. Meaning goods imported to China from Africa are comparatively cheaper than from other countries, which gives Africa a leg up in competition.
bUt ChInA iS iMpErIaLiSt
Are you saying that removing tariffs from trade with one region means you cannot otherwise be imperialist? That's completely illogical.
Yes, liberal, please put words in my mouth and down my throat. It's the only thing you know to do with American propaganda.
Yep! I mentioned it elsewhere this thread. Removing tariffs from global south countries is a part of boosting consumption, which is one of China's more important economic problems it needs to tackle moving forward. It's a win-win, African countries get to export finished commodities to Chinese consumers, and Chinese consumers get more access to goods. This helps build up African industry while also improving the lives of Chinese people.
They're turning an entire continent into a sweatshop to feed their own greed and consumerism. They learned from the best! And they're improving on it through the strength of single party central planning.
No, they are not. China's consumption is actually too low, which is why the CPC is taking measures to address it and lower tariffs on other countries. This helps build independence and interconnection. You're absurdly off-base to the point of fantasy.
The measure they're taking to address it is creating vassal states to turn into sweatshops.
No? Where on Earth did you get that idea? They are focusing on raising wages and boosting consumption, lowering import fees from global south countries to help their rising industry, and are trying to boost incomes in the countryside.
Lol, Jesus dude! Are you just plagiarizing U.S. state department talking points from the mid 20th century on U.S. involvement in Southeast Asia and other places in the global south?
Nope! I'm an anti-imperialist communist that studies the world as it exists today. The global south is rapidly developing, boosted by trade and partnerships with China. Western imperialism brought stunted development to even negative development. Read the sources I linked.
I'm more knowledgeable about this that you could ever hope to be (do you see how statements like that aren't even remotely convincing?). I'm well aware of the cherry picked information you use to support your delusion.
If you’re so knowledgeable then why haven’t you shared any of that knowledge?
You certainly haven't been able to demonstrate your theory here, and haven't been able to disprove a single claim I've made.
None of your circle jerk "theory" will change the fact that hundreds of millions of Chinese live in poverty to fuel the grotesquely lavish lifestyles of a few, and that those few are turning their exploitative efforts outward to accumulate even more wealth, while letting a little "trickle-down" to keep the plebs calm.
The countryside isn't the backbone of the Chinese economy, the industrial base is. Poverty in the countryside exists because it's less developed in comparison to the rapidly improving urban areas, due to the explosion in industrial production. By and large, the Chinese working classes are paid better and better every year, as I have shown with hard data, and the rural/urban gap is diminishing year by year. Chinese citizens live off of their own labor, and their trade and mutual agreements with other global south countries results in win-win economic development.
Not a single thing you've presented proves otherwise. All you have is your word.
Win-win, where have I heard that before? Oh yes! It's when imperial powers talk about the relationships with weaker "allies" that result in things like sweatshops. China will soon be getting their "fast-fashion" from African sweatshops raising their standard of living further and enriching the parasite class beyond their wildest dreams. China can teach them how to install anti-suicide nets in their factory dorms in return. A completely equal exchange.
Alright, there's your thesis. Now back that up with facts, statistics, and other forms of evidence, as I've already done for mine. You cannot simply abstract a concept from one situation and dogmatically apply it to an entirely different situation with an entitely different context, this is just metaphysics at work and results in farcical conclusions. No need for me to rehash what I've already proven.
No. Again, I know this hard for your kind to understand, but you don't to get to dictate how things go.
Gotcha, I'll just assume that rant was for the purpose of legitimizing my arguments rhetorically, or personal venting. I can't force you to make a coherent argument, after all, even if it would be more productive than whatever this is.
Listen, this is not my choice. You decided to use my comment to vomit out your copypasta, which seems to be your entire life. And then demand I sink to your level of idiocy so you can beat me with experience. You could have just not done that. But now I will exercise my choice to go do something better. Maybe someone, someday can teach you the real meaning of socialism, but it won't be me and it won't be today, and it won't be until you get some help.
Amazing, you've said nothing of substance and addressed exactly none of what I said. I am curious what you think the "real meaning of ~~christmas~~ socialism" is, mostly because I think it would be funny on your part, but I'm fine with leaving it at this. All you've done is strengthen my points.