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If you believe in democracy, personal rights, and capitalism ... congrats, you're a liberal.
(Though, given how much modern 'conseravtives' hate democracy and personal rights, a lot of them aren't really liberal anymore. They're fascist.)
*bourgeois democracy (people's democracies are good)
All forms of democracy are liberal types of governance.
Nope, socialist democracy exists and is a break from individualist styles of democracy espoused by liberalism.
Typical .world lib doesn't understand what they're talking about.
It’s fully within the principles of self-governance and communal determination which are core tenets and flow from classical liberalism.
Try again.
How does, say, China's model of Whole Process People's Democracy, a form of democracy based on consultative democracy, flow from classical liberalism? Liberal models of voting for parties or single representatives don't map at all to China's form of democracy, yet China is consistently seen as more democratic by its own citizens than liberal democracies are by their own citizens:
These are stark differences and are reflective of Marxism as opposed to liberalism.
So communists are liberals?
Holy shit chapo was right about it.
"Either hundreds of millions of people have always predisposed to the lure of the fascist, in which case the entire democratic endeavor is doomed anyway, or something of corporate liberalism has brought us here. Whatever the quality of its rhetoric, any politics that buckles at the prospect of even mildly inconveniencing the rich, or resisting an ally's genocidal intentions, will always face an uphill battle against a politics that actively embraces malice. "Yes We Can" is a conditional. "Yes We Will" is not."
One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, Chapter 3
🎼 One of these things 🎶 Is not like the other 🎶
🎼 One of these things 🎶 Is not like its brother 🎶
"This far and no further" politics is a pox on conservatives and liberals alike. This is one of the reasons you see Gavin Newsom fucking around with TERFs in the name of fairness in college athletics. Its one of the reasons why so many people soured on Barack Obama inside his first term.
"Personal Rights" always seem to terminate at the edge of popular consensus.
Well, yeah. It's perfectly acceptable to believe in two of those things and not the third.
That just means you're not a liberal.
(And really, since capitalism constantly corrodes democracy and personal rights, being a liberal is kind of a self-contradictory nonsense stance. Shame that so many people still are liberals.)
You mean capitalist dictatorship / rule by the rich. We should not allow the liberals to call their sham system / theatre piece of stacked elections picked by the rich, a "democracy".
"Personal rights" too, which includes the ownership of private property, which is definitely not what socialists support
Yup. They're not looking to conserve a thing, they'd much rather burn down modern society as a whole.
Traditional conservatives are looking to conserve existing power structures. They believe that those in power deserve to be in power, and those without power deserve to be without power, and they seek to keep it that way. In the American Revolution, conservatives were monarchists. In the Civil War, conservatives supported slavery. In the civil rights era, conservatives supported Jim Crow and opposed equal rights, etc, etc, etc. They're always looking to maintain and strengthen existing power structures. (Regardless of how unjust those power structures may be.)
But, again, modern 'conservatives' are straying more toward fascism, so that begins to break down. What they're trying to 'conserve' now is an imagined golden era that never truly existed in the first place, where their in-group supposedly had even more power than they ever really did, and where out-groups didn't even exist.