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They are sold in Europe, no need to wait!
I appreciate the heads up, but I'm trying to buy from EU if I can.
Ah then your comment makes sense. In Europe the closest we have are the Linux laptops from Tuxedo, which I've heard are pretty repairable, but not really upgradeable.
Starlabs are an alternative if Europe extends to the UK for you.
Tuxedo is actually who I'm probably going to end up going with. Repairability is a must, upgrading I'm okay with being a "nice to have" for now. My fingers are crossed for something during the next upgrade cycle, though!
Tuxedo (and most of "European" and/or "Linux" brands like Slimbook, XMG/Schenker etc.) are rebranded Tongfang or Clevo laptops though. They are neither designed nor made in Europe.
Right, but if I spend money at an EU business, it doesn't go away and might expand to design or make their own computers, or it might move the needle by showing a stronger interest in EU companies that allows for a company that does design parts in the EU to take that space.
My purchase philosophy for every single item nowadays
I hope so. I'm still rooting for them
Europe doesn't make RAM, or processors or WiFi chips. Why do you want a European dude assemble parts for you?
Because I would rather pay a European company over an American company where possible for similarly valued products. By supporting a company here, I am hopefully contributing to an expanding market here.
I am of the same opinion, but when it comes to laptops, I'd rather go for an american company that cares about repairability, sustainability, and genuinely good laptops than a EU company without those values. It's not all black and white, and this is a clear case where paying a US company is one of the better choices.
That's fair. As far as I'm aware, Tuxedo laptops have a good history with repairability, and I personally use my devices until they die and are no longer suitable for what I need them for, so I'm not all that worried about being horribly unsustainable with it. I've heard Tuxedo laptops are pretty high quality as well, so that kinda covers all my bases.
For me, there's the added moral imperative of spending less money on US companies as well, though. It's kind of a balancing act all around. I'm not judging you for picking what you pick, either, though. Just different strokes and all that.
Framework sells DIY kits so the European dude assembling the laptop could be himself!
That just means they assemble it, test that it works and disassemble to pack the DIY kit, lol
I remember framework posting that it takes more work to pack the DIY kits.
Huh interesting! I see playing on their website that an equivalent laptop is more expensive in the DIY version, it's just that the starting price includes no RAM, storage, etc.
So the DIY is for people who want to bring their own parts, not for people who want to get all the parts then save money!
The DIY version also doesn't include a Windows license unless you want it.
Why would you want it
To run windows
Can't you just like not verify Windows and just use it anyway
For a subset of features and versions often for a limited time, yes. For now.
If you can build a laptop with the DIY kit, you can also install Windows and use massgrave or get a key on those sites with cheap keys
That is true, however for people who do not want to use massgrave or a company that needs to be careful about licensing and compliance, a windows key is a good option.