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[–] Beacon@fedia.io 62 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Nothing to agree or disagree with, you're factually incorrect. The observer effect has nothing to do with whether someone's eyes are looking toward it or not. It basically just means when a process is happening and anything external occurs to it then that will change the way the process is happening.

[–] jwiggler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I was curious, so I went to Wikipedia, as one does.

A notable example of the observer effect occurs in quantum mechanics, as demonstrated by the double-slit experiment. Physicists have found that observation of quantum phenomena by a detector or an instrument can change the measured results of this experiment. Despite the "observer effect" in the double-slit experiment being caused by the presence of an electronic detector, the experiment's results have been interpreted by some to suggest that a conscious mind can directly affect reality.[3] However, the need for the "observer" to be conscious is not supported by scientific research, and has been pointed out as a misconception rooted in a poor understanding of the quantum wave function ψ and the quantum measurement process

Edit: erhm. this isnt an ad for Wikipedia. the words just shook out that way. lol

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 22 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

If anybody still doesn't understand, when the wave function collapses, that is called observation. Again, from Wikipedia:

In various interpretations of quantum mechanics, wave function collapse, also called reduction of the state vector, occurs when a wave function—initially in a superposition of several eigenstates—reduces to a single eigenstate due to interaction with the external world. This interaction is called an observation and is the essence of a measurement in quantum mechanics, which connects the wave function with classical observables such as position and momentum.

Physics has this problem with naming things. They use words like "particle", "observation", and "spin", among others, which are words that every English speaker knows, but then they use those words to describe stuff that's actually only similar to the words everybody knows. This makes physics a lot more approachable for people who know nothing, but then completely confuses people with only a little knowledge.

This makes physics a lot more approachable for people who know nothing, but then completely confuses people with only a little knowledge.

My favorite example of this is the use of "stress" and "strain". In common language they're synonyms, but in Physics they're definitely not.

[–] pcalau12i@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

There isn't a scientific definition for "observation." In the Copenhagen interpretation, it really is treated just as vaguely as the colloquial definition, something the physicist John Bell complained about in his article "Against 'Measurement'", that the textbook axioms of quantum mechanics are inherently vague because they refer to "observation" or "measurement" which is not itself defined in the axioms. Saying that observation is just "when the wavefunction collapses" is a circular definition and doesn't answer anything, because then we can just ask, "when does the wavefunction collapse?" and the only answer the textbook axioms give is "when you observe/measure it."

[–] dalekcaan@feddit.nl 3 points 6 hours ago

"Theory" is another bad one in all of science. That's what leads knuckleheads from saying dumb shit like "evolution is just a theory!"

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago

In general, I agree, but spin is quite surprising in how much like angular momentum and dynamos it behaves. Either way, we don't know enough about it yet, and it's at best a coincidence.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I think we all understand the joke is that the eyes represent the endpoint of the observation apparatus. That is the first panel is isolated and the second panel has a detector measuring the path that the scientist then looks at.

So yeah, "eyes" don't cause a waveform collapse. But how does a two panel cartoon with no words represent no interaction? First panel is blank?

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

On the other hand, maybe our personal observation doesn't just cause a waveform to collapse, but also collapses a logical path for said wave backwards into time. This would mean that even the results of the initial observation only collapse at the moment you look at them.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

So at what point in human evolution was one human conscious enough to have the first observation and therefore spring quantum mechanics into existence in the universe?

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 31 minutes ago

What if both human evolution and "other humans" follow the same unfolding? You'd create all of that in every moment. Even the memories and logistics needed for that. That would mean that there is only now and reality has been creating itself over and over again infinitely.

[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago

That's not "litterally" how it works then, just "figuratively".