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I might just have to pay for his FUTO app again and contribute to the cause.
Eeeeeh, contribute to Rossman directly if you can. That whole Futo setup is sketch as hell. I have my dislikes with Rossman, but he genuinely seems to be fighting the right fight.
Can you elaborate? I don't really follow him closely but feel like he's fighting for what's right. I saw another commenter said he wasn't affiliated anymore...
There a lot going on there. This link is one of the better write-ups.
Basically it comes down to misrepresenting funding/donations. Misrepresenting licensing. And open association with tech bro fascists like Yarvin. Rossman has had issues in the past himself. Though small enough and few enough outside his association with futo to not be too problematic. Enough that I can support his right to repair work. Just not Futo.
I'm sorry, I tried to digest that write-up, but its just a spiteful personal wall of bs full of fringe leftist commentary and hate; the dude can't hold himself from insulting anyone he names in there because they somehow don't share his whatever perfect view of how everything is supposed to be. I can't take this kind of bs, i didn't even got to the third paragraph and already wanted to slap the guy and tell him to chill-dfq-off lmao.
If someone has a point, make the point, prove it, and then come up with the opinion based on that. (Like X did Y, hence X is an asshole.)
But in this case its quite clear the writeup is an "opinion first" look for proofs after situation.
For context, these are the first three paragraphs of the article. There's no mention of a single name, it's basically the introduction. The third paragraph is the statement that they then are supposed to support with facts. This is standard in writing a document:
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Some time ago, I noticed some new organization called FUTO popping up here and there. I’m always interested in seeing new organizations that fund open source popping up, and seeing as they claim several notable projects on their roster, I explored their website with interest and gratitude. I was first confused, and then annoyed by what I found. Confused, because their website is littered with bizzare manifestos,1 and ultimately annoyed because they were playing fast and loose with the term “open source”, using it to describe commercial source-available software.
FUTO eventually clarified their stance on “open source”, first through satire and then somewhat more soberly, perpetuating the self-serving myth that “open source” software can privilege one party over anyone else and still be called open source. I mentally categorized them as problematic but hoped that their donations or grants for genuinely open source projects would do more good than the harm done by this nonsense.
By now I’ve learned better. tl;dr: FUTO is not being honest about their “grant program”, they don’t have permission to pass off these logos or project names as endorsements, and they collaborate with and promote mask-off, self-proclaimed fascists.
"""
Did... Did you read something completely different? What the hell? The only thing remotely hateful in the first three paragraphs is them using the word fascists, right in the end, and you dropped the article before giving the author a chance to support their claim? Are you 5?
Sorry, that was maybe too aggressive, but you might not even reach this text if you drop stuff the moment you read a word you dislike lmao.
I was able to read through it and it doesn't seem to be full of opinionated hate I think. Their main criticisms of FUTO seem to be:
The article isn't all negative though. They like that FUTO supports Immich and other projects like it. They also note in an update that FUTO has changed their "grants" page to make the different between large grants and small one time donations, with projects like musl libc now being smaller and lacking a large prominent logo.
Also of note, Rossman has left FUTO, as somebody else has noted. I don't think Rossman is a bad person, I feel like he was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. That's just my thoughts though.
You can disregard OS and still contribute to it due to financial and corporative sense. The principle works as an evolutive algorithm and is ideologically agnostic. You don't need to like FB or China for contributing to OS, they just do because it's in their interests, and it's in our interest, so whatever works.
Just use the code, fork it if you want to maintain it, and that's it.
Going into these Puritan rants, twitter dramas, and character attacks will not write you code, nor make one better at writing it.
Donating to FUTO will not make them rich, it just supports their projects and interest in keeping them up. You don't need to love them or agree with their views.
If they at some point deviate and go proprietary, anyone is free to fork their work till that point and continue. And someone will probably do.
See no reason on wasting time on dissecatting people, much less corporatist preachers.
Let's check out some this Yarvin guy's views:
sources if you need them:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Curtis-Yarvin
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/30/curtis-yarvins-ideas-00201552 (interview with Yarvin)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/21/curtis-yarvin-trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin (yes, Wikipedia, I know. It's got good info and some of the sources it linked to has more information)
https://theconversation.com/friday-essay-trumps-reign-fits-curtis-yarvins-blueprint-of-a-ceo-led-american-monarchy-what-is-technological-fascism-256202
I only stated what the article said. I believe that funding of community maintained projects, by FUTO or otherwise, is great! But personally, I hope this is a popular opinion, but I personally wouldn't give money to a company that platforms an actual self-proclaimed fascist. Everything I've heard about that Yarvin guy is pure insanity! I would prefer to directly support the projects that I care about.
What, so you think donating money to Facebook is helping to support the open-source movement? And what does CCP have to do with this? Their open-source approach mainly focuses on their domestic market, particularly for governmental purposes where they don't want American bigcorps to peer into (anything from messenging clients to military technologies would fit into that)
Which of the poor innocent people that meany pants Drew Devault insulted, do you take issue with? Lunduke? I've read this article before and while I don't remember all of the callouts, I can't recall seeing anyone I would particularly want to defend from insults.
FUTO is run by a fascist and abuses the spirit of open source.
I'm sorry your feelings were too fragile to get that far, it's actually quite a thorough writeup.
FUTO is a bit problematic
Rossman left FUTO (unclear if it was because of their practices) anyway. Best to contribute to projects directly.
thanks
II don't believe he is affiliated with Futo anymore.
Didn't he drop out again? Answering my own question with a quick search, yes, he did:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Rossmann