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I never read them but looks like those are bestsellers with good reviews. By calling them "smut" and calling for bans you're not different than christian fundamentalists trying to ban Harry Potter and LOTR.
whatever man, whatfucking ever. You think that adult fantasy with explicit sex scenes written for adults is good for kids. Whatfuckingever man. Holy fuck, you lost the plot if you're arguing for that. It's not even on the same level as HarryPotter/LOTR.
Ey, why stop at erotic books. Just put porn on school computers. Do away with any internet controls. Put a shortcut on the school computer that goes to Pornhub, for education... don't wanna censor anything. Afterall, Pornhub and Wikipedia are basically just places to learn things. Same sames.
So you're ok with books that describe killing and gore but sex is off the table?
no, where did I ever say that? You're just making up some le reddit level gotcha.
No you said you're ok with LOTR, which describes killing and gore, but you're not ok with sex. So yes you did say that.
are you trying to imply that because LOTR has violence, that it is a book primarily about killing and gore? What in the false equivalency bs is this?
LOTR also Hobbits smoking pipeweed. Is it also a book primarily about drug use and addiction? Is Harry Potter a sports series because quidditch?
How you fail to see that the line of thinking you have below doesn’t also extend to the books youre trying to censor (while only relying on things youve read instead of actual interactions) is insane to me.
because those books are primarily written to be erotic fantasy! What are you talking about? Literally all the reviews about the "Court of Thorns" series is readers talking about the romance and spice. That's the focus of the book. It's not some high brow educational read. The frequent and commonly understood focus of the book is the sexy scenes and romances of the characters... that's the book. The purpose of the narrative is to get readers to engage with the characters and sexual fanatasy.....
LOTR doesn't exists to be a series about violence and gore... it happens as a consequence of larger parts of the narrative, not the focus. Outside of those few instances where it exists, it isn't glorified for pages on end to entice and excite the reader. It serves a literary purpose of progressing the larger story....
You HAVE to be making this argument in only the most extreme of bad faith. Like, willfully misrepresenting the narrative purpose of the books.
Lmao once again, “these books are absolutely only this because i say so” isnt going to win you any points.
Talk about bad faith argument.
it's literally not "because I (a single person) say so" it's because "THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE READERS SAY SO"..... what are you not understanding about this?
Every review about the book and the series includes discusions about the "spice" of the book. The fanbase clamours about the sex scenes in the book as a main topic. The book is listed in the genre of adult fantasy..... It's not "me" just making up a label... IT'S A FUCKING LABEL THE BOOK HAS FOR ITSELF.
Again, does that make the book only about this? Just like the topics in LOTR or whatever (which is also adult fantasy), scenes don’t define a book.
You sound incredibly unpleasant and angry to be around. I hope thats not the case in real life
you sound incredibly up your own ass, and have been since the beginning. I feel like your whole purpose of being here is just to be smug and try and flex your le reddit muscle. I'm absolutely sure you're unpleasant to be around, if not for the attitude but the smell.
There it is lmao. Good luck to you and more importantly your kids.
The thing is, it's just your opinion. You think those books are not for fit for high schoolers are say they should be banned for everyone. You're forcing your morality and opinions on everyone else.
ohmyfuckinggod. REVERSE that line of thought. It's YOUR opinion. YOU think it's fit for kids. So YOU can give them to YOUR kids.
In a PUBLIC library, the PUBLIC (that's the average person) decides on the morality and topics that are approrpiate for children. It's the general average consensus. If you want to show them more YOU CAN, with YOUR KIDS. I'm not forcing you not to. The PUBLIC is saying "I dont' think kids should read erotic fantasy" and I, LIKE MOST PARENTS, agree with that sentiment.. I think the line should be drawn somewhere, and erotic explicit sex fantasy books is over that line, for me, and most people.
I get it, you had a traumatic controlling childhood and now you wanna rebel against the system with "I would never tell my kids no, I'll let them do anything they want". But not everyone wants to raise their kids in the same fuckedup way as you.
I'm saying each parent and kid above certain age should be free to decide. You want to decide for them. Even if it's majorities consensus it's still one group of people limiting the rights of other group.
The point of public library is to offer access to books for free. By banning those books from library and saying "parents can show them to their kids if they want to" you're basically saying that parent can show kids those books if they can afford and find them. Next you will decide that if majority decides those books should not be sold in local bookstores and if parents want to they can look for them elsewhere.
The books were already there. It's not people democratically deciding how to spend public money. It's zealots policing what other people should and should not like.
the age is 18.
That's the certain age we, as a public society, have decided that they are free to decide for themselves about what's appropriate for them. Because they are adults. Fullstop.
You want to argue lowering the age where a child is considered an adult?.... is that where you want to go? I mean, you have been arguing in favor of showing porn to kids... so, maybe it is. Maybe it's in your interest that kids are considered "mature" at a younger age.
i think you were being a little bit crazy, but mostly reasonable until i read this. the age is most definitely not 18.
so.... you want to argue that the age of maturity should be lower? You can argue that.... sure, just saying though, it definitely puts you in leagues with a lot of other types that want to lower the age of maturity for all sorts of other reasons. You wanting to stand toe-to-toe with them on that?
You about to wax poetic about how "some kids are real mature for their age?"
lmao you're fucking crazy. the idea that kids younger than 18 are mature enough to handle sexual content in literature is not the same thing as being a pedophile you fucking nutcase.
my dude..... 18 is the age we as a society generally agree on. That's why it's 18. We for the most part deem that's when the average kid is mature enough to handle things and make decisions on their own without any oversight..... That's just where we drew the line at.....
You are allowed to disagree. If you feel uncomfortable being compared to the other kinds of people who also disagree.... that's your moral problem to find peace with. Not mine.
It's all just your opinions. It's your opinion it's porn, it's your opinions 16yo should have have access to it. You're calling something porn and then attacking people for showing it to kids. You're exactly like christian zealots. I'm done talking to you.
you're the one arguing to show kids explicit sex scenes man. Dunno why you think I'm the weird one here. I've been trying to tell you to fuckoff for awhile now. Thankyou for finally doing so.
explicit sex scenes? porn? brother, it's text on a page. in the MIDDLE of a thick-ass book. good lord dude, if a kid is old enough to make it to the sex scenes and have followed it that far and understand it, they're probably old enough to handle it. it's not porn. full stop.
that's absolutely a "you" opinion.
What's explicit to you vs explicit to most people is very different. And that's cool, if you think it's fine and your kid can handle it, you do you boo. Most people, like the overwhelming majority of readers of that book would define it as erotic and pornographic.
But thinking "bah, that's not explicit, I know what's explicit for everyone" is just peak entitlement. You don't get the make the rules for everyone else. I don't get to make the rules. That's the point, it's a public school, it has what the public agrees on. And the public, mostly agrees that those books are not appropriate for children. Full stop.
You’re coming out of this looking like an absolute clown. I hope you don’t have kids- and if you do, I’m sure you’ll soon be wondering why they resent you.