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[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (4 children)

Removing "Roots" is deplorable, it's an important time piece that captures the narrative and conditions of slavery in the United States......

but.... removing "A Court of Thorns and Roses" from children's school libraries seems appropriate. It's an introductory book to a series of adult fantasy novels (yes, that kind of adult fantasy) that get progressively more "spicy" (see: pornographic) as the series continues. And it being the first book doesn't mean it's tame and gets worse in later books. It's a bit more explicit than "and then they held hand and fade to black". It's more like "and then the main character stradles a hairy man in an animal mask to climax"... yea, that book doesn't need to be in a school library.

EDIT: ohshi, actually it's not just that they had to remove the first book, they had all of them removed.

Which implies there was possibly a time when those books were in school libraries. Which is basically just smut at that point. We don't stock Playboys in the school library either.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 10 minutes ago

I never red them but looks like those are bestsellers with good reviews. By calling them "smut" and calling for bans you're not different than christian fundamentalists trying to ban Harry Potter and LOTR.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

How about you let publicly funded libraries be libraries and you worry about your own kids?

[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world -3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

What a completely devoid of thought thing to say. You're either a child or have the mind of one.

The SCHOOL library is not the same place and context as a traditional public library. Regular public library you (presumably) go with your family who can supervise and make decisions on what material is appropriate for you, because they know you. As opposed to the SCHOOL library, which is largely unsupervised and would be impossible for educators to make individual decisions for each child, nor should they. I don't think teachers should be specifically limiting what kids can/can't learn. But as the school library IS a PUBLIC library, then the PUBLIC should have a say in what goes there for kids. And I think, generally, drawing the line at smut romance books is a pretty reasonable line to draw. There's no educational value in smut books, so they don't need to be in the educational library.....

Lemme guess, your argument boils down to some kind "just let kids learn", boiling down all children into some kind of monolith of behavior. Forgetting that kids brains are not fully developed, that they lack impulse control, they don't have the experience or context to understand the consequences of their actions, and range wildly on levels a maturity even amongst those in the same grade level. What one kid can handle and respond to is going to be a trigger or elicit dangerous thoughts in another.

So maybe, instead of just letting kids go willnilly at the school library unsupervised; consuming a bunch of adult material without understanding how they may react to that, we just don't stock obviously adult materials for them to grab. If it's really important that the child read the fantasy smut, then they can head on down the regular public library and get their parents (who presumably have a better understandig of what their child is capable of) to get it for them. And if your issue is about parents parenting... then you really are a child.

[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I really don't give a shit let kids read fucking porn if they want at this point as long as its queer or femme do it just yo piss off the fascists I don't buy that its bad for kidseven if it was I say keep it just to piss off fasch and push window

[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world -1 points 56 minutes ago* (last edited 55 minutes ago) (2 children)

You're not a parent, obviously.

Maybe some kids can read it. Or maybe, brainrot world of free information shows that, actually, kids aren't good at consuming adult material because they lack the context and understanding of consequences. Kids don't think long term, they don't comprehend abuse and trauma right. Letting kids read smut and bascially normalizing its content is going to leave them with a severely fucked up sense of sex and relationships because they have nothing else to base it on.

Is sex in real life like it is in porn? No. And if you watched a lot of fucked up porn and then just tried to do that shit like you thought "thats how sex is, right?" you're going to have a bad time. And that's neverminding that A LOT of adult fantasy is "Consensual Non-Consent" (or adjacent, stalkery stuff). So that's going to be kids baseline for how to behave in a relationship. What else would they have to compare it to? Is that a good idea? Do you think that it's smart to normalize to a bunch of teen boys that it's normal to just force yourself on women, because actually, just like in the books, that's what they really want and like.....

That's why kids don't need to be reading adult smut, they don't have the understanding to know that it's FANTASY.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 20 minutes ago (1 children)

If they can tell that wizards and elves are fantasy, they could see how porn is a fantasy, too. Try talking to your kids about it instead of letting their imagination run wild.

[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 5 minutes ago

I'm a step-father.

[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 1 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

That seems like an argument for only letting them see good porn and good stories about violence and trauma and stuff not none owning the fasch worth it anyway and I don't think the exclusion mechanism is worth sorry I don't really care about your middle ground bullshit owning the fasch never surrender an inch even if it isn't one you want let them fight it exhaust themselves on it

[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

No, the argument is, YOU can show YOUR CHILD this socalled "good porn", that's your kid, you're free to fuck them up however you want. But maybe, we don't all want to have fucked up kids just because you don't want to teach yours. Mabye, different people have different views. I know, crazy, it's like we're not all like you.

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

Wonder if the Xanth series is going to get caught up in this. Fun, punny adventures in a fairly unique fantasy land, lots of coming of age stories. But also varying degrees of pedo shit, never ending mysogyny, and of course the questionable bestiality (the animals are sentient so they can give consent but uh, yeah, it's questionable). My school had tons of them lol