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Last year, I wrote a great deal about the rise of “ventilation shutdown plus” (VSD+), a method being used to mass kill poultry birds on factory farms by sealing off the airflow inside barns and pumping in extreme heat using industrial-scale heaters, so that the animals die of heatstroke over the course of hours. It is one of the worst forms of cruelty being inflicted on animals in the US food system — the equivalent of roasting animals to death — and it’s been used to kill tens of millions of poultry birds during the current avian flu outbreak.

As of this summer, the most recent period for which data is available, more than 49 million birds, or over 80 percent of the depopulated total, were killed in culls that used VSD+ either alone or in combination with other methods, according to an analysis of USDA data by Gwendolen Reyes-Illg, a veterinary adviser to the Animal Welfare Institute (AWI), an animal advocacy nonprofit. These mass killings, or “depopulations,” in the industry’s jargon, are paid for with public dollars through a USDA program that compensates livestock farmers for their losses.

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[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 76 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hello aliens I'm a vegan and condemn this bullshit

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I'm not and I condemn this bullshit.

[–] max@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao how does this have more upvotes than the one you're replying to.

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Because vegans are annoying AF?

[–] notonReddit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago

I am and I don't condemn this bullshit. I believe they should be tortured even more.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So you'll put your money where your mouth is and stop buying chicken then right? That's how condemnation works.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No it’s not, you’re confusing condemnation with boycott

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

And yet, you couldn't resist the temptation to be aggressive and further turn off people to the idea of going meat free, vs trying to kindly convince them.

[–] MycoBro@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I raise my own chickens. I love them very much. Some of them get eaten. I am very grateful to those. You don’t have to be a vegan to be a good person.

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In their eyes you do.

Also a backyard chicken owner. My ladies live well

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

You don't necessarily have to be vegan to be a good person. I'm sure your chickens wouldn't miss an egg or two every once in a while. It is pretty fucked up to claim that you love them, but also kill and eat them sometimes. Like, I love my cat, and because of that the idea of putting her dead body in my mouth makes me feel sick.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"I love my chickens so much that I kill and eat them sometimes"

Remind me not to let you watch my dogs

[–] MycoBro@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow. I’m really fucking floored by y’all’s response. Where do you think your food comes from man? Seriously. I’m not being ugly, like you are, im trying to understand how you feel like you have less impact than I do. I am just able to take the responsibility for my own food

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My food comes primarily from farms. I'm not saying I necessarily have less of an impact on anything than you, all I'm saying is that I don't kill animals for food and I don't pay for them to be killed.

[–] MycoBro@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mocked me, man. It only hurts in the super small space that internet strangers can reach but it exists, regardless of how small. So. Bullshit.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I pointed out some cognitive dissonance. I care a little bit more about random animals' lives than I do about random internet strangers' feelings.

[–] MycoBro@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And while we are talking about cognitive dissonance, where the fuck do you think YOUR food comes from?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I already said farms. Who's the dumb fuck here?

Go kill some more chickens and then claim to love them. Or maybe stop pretending you care about animals

[–] MycoBro@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Are you trolling me? Lol. I feel like im in the other end of some joke

[–] MycoBro@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I was being sarcastic you dumb fuck.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] MycoBro@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Yes. I do. I have a separate small flock. I feed my family a proportion of our food over half that I grow, rise, and make myself. It would be impossible with out the protein from the chickens. And before anyone says some dumb shit to me, you do the math of your monoculture grown vegan food and if you still think my overall footprint is greater than yours, you are wrong.

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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get my chicken (and beef) from small, local neighboring farms, directly. I don't see the problem?

[–] triangle5106@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If your question is genuine, these small farms you speak of are still breeding animals with intent to slaughter them. At the end of the day, the only meaningful difference with a small farm is that you can probably shake the hand of the person who needlessly killed an animal. Can't get that at those big mean factory farms, that's for sure.

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

intent to slaughter them

Assuming that's the intent is an asshole move. What if the primary intent is to extract nutrition from land that is otherwise unproductive?

[–] triangle5106@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is it not the intent? A farmer generally isn't going to raise an animal for fun. That wouldn't be profitable, and small farms are already difficult to make a living on.

I can entertain the idea that I could walk up to a farmer and ask them what their intent is, and they reply, "why it's to extract nutrition from land that is otherwise unproductive, of course!". But the end result is the same in either case regardless of stated intent: animals are being killed unnecessarily.

To be clear, none of this applies to people who rely on animal products to survive (e.g. people in the unproductive land you mentioned). I'm talking about people like myself (and likely many others here) who have access to supermarkets and other products of a globalized food system. Like Uncle Ben said, with great ~~power~~ privilege comes great responsibility.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Land has more value than economic activity, such as natural habitat and biodiversity and recreation (all things farmers destroy lol)

[–] 4lan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's hilarious, people have no sense of personal responsibility whatsoever. Just look at COVID.

They use the argument that one person not eating meat won't change anything. Ignoring the fact that they are literally deriving joy from suffering. It doesn't have to be this way. I truly believe meat can be ethical, but when 99.8% of beef is factory farmed I do not have the option to ethically eat meat.

17 years meat free and every once in awhile I reconsider adding chicken to my diet. Then I see a post like this lol

[–] triangle5106@reddthat.com 0 points 11 months ago

I think ethical meat can only truly exist in theory (though with cell culture meat I suspect that that will change).

Anyway, I just wanted to say 17 years is a long time. Thanks for walking the talk. Not many people do.

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[–] notonReddit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Too bad for you the aliens eat meat