It sucks that we had no realistic (as in actually able to win) alternative. Not exactly thrilled with him, but he is clearly better than the other possible leader we could have been stuck with.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Honestly, dude, fuck off. Carney and the Liberals are barely better than the Conservatives. They’re basically the same party at this point except the LPC won’t outlaw gay marriage.

I’m getting so fucking tired of this “no realistic alternative” bullshit being followed up with directed weakening of it. People will ignore and downplay and not support the NDP and then go “see, no one voted for them!”, often times looking at seats and ignoring total votes cast, too. 2021 election had them get over half the votes of the Liberals but the way people talked you’d think they had ten supporters, tops.

This is a country of cowards who are just handing our rights over to conservatives whose only campaign practice for a decade has been to use their slightly worse counterpart as a boogeyman so we never elect anyone who can actually get shit done for us. The least you could do is not perpetuate this nonsense “no realistic alternative” line for them.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He's Mark Harper. He would have led the PCs if they weren't so many nutjobs in the party funded by the USA. He killed the carbon levy to get elected.

We can criticize politicians all we want, but Canadians don't actually want green policies, because they vote against them, or they don't give a shit enough to vote at all. So in the end, we got a government that formed a majority with PC MPs who sold out on some back door deal.

So much like the US, we now have a one party system. If he fucks up, the backlash will net a Fascist government in Canada that will make Donald Trump look like Che Guevara. This is because Canadians never vote for anyone, they vote angry against incumbents when their entitlement is threatened.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Yup yup yup. I was asked by a street corner CTV person about my opinion in the mayoral election and I said we needed to vote progressive, and that it’s all well and good to want to change, but it has to be real and positive change, not just change for the sake of it.

I’m just so tired of everyone refusing to treat the NDP with any damn respect. They have policies that are shown to work all over the world and yet they’re “dreamers” while the population at large just keeps chasing the same old conservative bullshit.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

This is why we need ranked choice voting so that people can vote NDP without the risk

[–] refreeze@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In my riding the NDP got 3.5% of the vote. I would absolutely prefer an NDP government but they were never going to win in my riding.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yea, and I’m sure a lot of people thought the same thing and also didn’t vote for them. Vote for what you believe in or don’t show up. Again, the least you could do is not actively support the people making life worse. Don’t give them your votes, they don’t give a shit about your reason and in fact the LPC relies on your belief that they’re the only valid alternative. They do not care that you don’t like them as long they don’t actually face any consequences for the shit they do.

The LPC straight-up denied us election reform so they could keep winning. Anti-democratic as fuck, should have disqualified them from being an option and yet.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Canada has very similar issues to the Untied States. One party of fascists and another party of people who don't try very hard because they're running on "at least we're not the fascists"

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And a third party, with good policies, which everyone desperately wants to pretend has zero chance. The US has a real two-party system; ours is by choice. It’s stupid as hell that we just keep letting it happen.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What we need is ranked choice voting so people can vote NDP without the risk of it leading to conservatives winning

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yea, and the LPC has already shown us that they refuse to make that happen because they know what would mean. The Conservatives would never, but the LPC literally ran on it and then through away any changes because it would mean denocracy would destroy them. They don’t give a flying fuck about what we think, they only want power, and they’re certainly not going to make things better if we keep electing them.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

This. He's not a climate guy. But the alternatives would destroy the environment to spite people who want to protect it.

At least Carney can be reasoned with.

[–] CaperGrrl79@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

From what I understand, he used to be greener. But there's a lot at stake to play ball with... and Trump is volatile. So is Danielle Smith...

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I was expecting his leadership to reflect his book values more, but the complexity of geopolitics, or some other factor, has put that aside.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Agreed. There's definitely an element of Realpolitik at play. The USA is creating a power vacuum and Canada needs to fill enough of that void in the short term to maintain leverage long term.

I don't know much about China or Russia but I'm going to assume their billionaire oligarchs as equally soulless as the cretins that rule western nations.