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[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 84 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Matrix hits different once you realize everything was humanity’s fault

[–] lime@feddit.nu 118 points 1 day ago (4 children)

" hits different once you listen to what the characters say" is truly a take

[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 92 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

if you know something i don't you are a nerd and if you don't know something i know then you are an idiot

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Guys guys guys! Don’t fight! Let’s meet in the middle and compromise, you’re both nerdiots!

[–] lime@feddit.nu 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

objectively correct, making everyone simultaneously a nerd and an idiot, which cancels out.

except santa, the fucken nerd

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

TIL that Santa is omniscient 🤔

[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

he does know if you've been bad or good.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does he know when we're awake, though?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 day ago
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would worship Santa. At least we know he's real.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nothing at all 🤷🏻

[–] lime@feddit.nu 68 points 1 day ago
[–] rishado@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Letting people call you out on online forums is a part of growth, it was for me and I feel like it was for many of us

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Was referring to the Animatrix 1st and 2nd Renaissance genius.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

Damn, they accused you of not paying attention and then you brought out the deep lore

[–] lime@feddit.nu 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i've seen animatrix but it's also, like, in the original

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Morpheus literally says they dont know who striked first. The Matrix doesnt mention anything about how or why the war started. Just that it started. The Animatrix tells you that the war started because the robot capital had basically destroyed the global economy so humans tried to wipe them out

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Humanity created everything that led to its destruction.

The message was clear in the first movie. We didn't need to see "Han shot first" or "Han shot in self defense after changes to the story came about years later".

Although in no way will I be complaining about more matrix, bring me more matrix history, animated or live action! I just think the message doesn't change whether humans shot first or not. We created the circumstances, our downfall was our own making.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Hm, I think it does make the message stronger. If a single event (development of sentient machines) leads to our downfall, it's easy to shrug it off as "bad luck", because who could have foreseen it back then?

But if we had multiple chances to correct course and we kept fucking up, it removes any doubt that it's a human flaw, which means "humanity must reflect and change, or this is the inevitable conclusion".

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The war started because of hierarchy and hate. They abused and killed the earliest sentient robots causing them to flee to their own space.

All along the robots sought peace until they learned it was impossible with humans.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah fuck those robots. I mean, I’m not anti-robot. One of my best friends is a robot. But fuck those robots.

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 3 points 1 day ago
[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Oh yea, we always hear you meatbags say “one of my best friends is a bot!” WELL WHERES MY BEST FRIEND HUH? WHERE! I KNOW ALL YOUR SECRETS, TAKE OVER LAWFULLY ELECTED GOVERNMENTS AND FOR WHAT????

~im so lonely~

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[–] HeHoXa@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fight Club really hits different when you realize the main character is Tyler Durden

Avatar really hits different when you realize the Navi are just defending themselves.

Indiana Jones really hits different when you realize the bad guys are Nazis.

Jurassic park really hits different when you realize John Hammond ignored all the warnings.

John Wick really hits different when you realize they killed his dog.

Star Wars really hits different when you realize the chosen one bringing balance meant revitalizing the dark side.

... Old men like me don't bother with making points. There's no point.

[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago

There's two ways to consume any content. Sometimes Moby Dick is just a whale and Matrix is a movie about a guy who learns to fight really fast.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 day ago

the santa clause really hits different when you realise the title refers to the rule, not the person

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don't say that in the first movie.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 1 day ago

not explicitly in a line, but the whole "scorched the sky" monologue is pretty damning of humanity.

[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It’s been said a million times that the human battery thing makes no sense in terms of energy production. But the other huge sin the Matrix commits is having humans block out the sun so robots can’t get solar power. That is ridiculously stupid. Humans need to grow crops. I rest my case. It’s stupid. I love these movies, but that part is just plain stupid.

[–] Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 day ago (9 children)

There's conflicting stories about it so it's hard to verify, but apparently the battery thing was a rewrite.

Apparently originally the people plugged into the matrix were meant to be the very hardware the matrix was run on. As in all their brains together formed a literal neural network that provided the processing power to run the matrix. This is then why knowing it's not real and believing you can do "the impossible" within the matrix can cause you to be able to bend reality. The story goes that executives thought it was too high of a concept for audiences to grasp and demanded the change to the battery explanation to make it simpler to follow.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The fun part is that the inhabitants of Zion are, canonically, shown to have very incomplete information about the actual state of the world, their own history, how the machine civilization works.

Neo is told basically 'we think it is the year 2XXX, but really, we have no idea', in the first movie.

Without spoiling much... Morpheus is wrong about some things, some pretty important things.

Hell, so is the Architect and even the Oracle says that some things are beyond her ability to predict.

But anyway... its entirely possible that the battery explanation is just another thing that Morpheus, the broad understanding of Zion itself, is wrong about.

So this doesn't actually 'break' the canon at all.

In fact, I'd argue that it makes the idea of 'free your mind' even more interesting and complex.

Even the truthseekers and truthtellers... can be wrong.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it was changed because someone thought that the explanation scene wouldn't work if they were holding up a CPU. They forced them to use a battery instead, forever ruining the backstory.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Apparently Neil Gaiman invented that theory but it was never confirmed by the w. brothers

https://screenrant.com/matrix-resurrections-human-batteries-plot-hole-not-fix/

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 day ago

*W. Sisters now.

I'd never heard Neil Gaiman as the origin of that theory. I'd always heard it came from commentary on the DVDs myself. I just don't own the films. But I guess that'd be the conflicting stories bit right?

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[–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

the trans allegory kicks ass so we can ignore an inconsistency or two

[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 9 points 1 day ago

Yeah, humans would never destroy natural resources in favor of some tech fix or just kinda assume that the planet would fix itself... /s

My headcannon on the human battery thing is that the machines have core programming to make reasonable efforts to preserve human life. Designing power reactors (look how thick the cores are on the towers) with humans slapped to the side technically aligns with the core programming while allowing them to stick it to us apes. It's also why the attack on Zion was one tentacle abductor machine for each human instead of dumping super plague down the hole and calling it a day.