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Yale University: Dozens arrested during US Gaza campus protests (www.bbc.com)
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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 51 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Columbia held classes virtually on Monday, the start of the Jewish holiday of Passover, according to a statement from Dr Shafik that highlighted instances of "intimidating and harassing behaviour", including antisemitism.

On one hand, it is fucked that America gives Christian holidays off and no other religions.

But it's insane these assholes still call being against genocide antisemitic.

If they're saying genocide of a people for following anither religion and stealing their land is part of their religion, then they should man up and say it.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago

I’m sure there are idiots that are using this war as another reason to hate on Jewish people, but that doesn’t invalidate the rightful cause of people protesting on behalf of Palestinians

[–] radiant_bloom@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

According to the book, it literally is part of their religion 😅 thankfully, like most other religions, they don’t usually follow their own book literally (which would be impossible anyway since it contradicts itself in places)

This is what happens when you gut your pantheon to worship your god of war exclusively, I guess 🤷🏻‍♀️

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's in all the Abrahmic texts...

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 2 points 6 months ago

Never forget that Yahweh subsumed the roles of both hero and villain when his cult enforced monotheism on a polytheistic religion.

It's like if we remembered Odin as the only god of the Norse, but in the new Sagas he did literally everything the other gods did and most moral commentary beyond "obey or die" was lost as a result.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

What happened to the right protest, constitutionalists?

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 12 points 6 months ago

Speaking strictly legally, Yale and any other private university have a non-trivial amount of authority to regulate the use of their own private spaces, and even ignoring that, the right to protest is not unlimited, particularly when it starts to impede the ability of others to conduct their own legal activities. Yale claims that the trespassing decision was made due to the protests blocking the ability of faculty and staff to access their facilities.

There's also reports of one student being stabbed in the eye with a flag pole, and fundamentally, the Constitution does not give anyone the right to camp and protest on private land. Students were warned multiple times before police were finally moved in. Part of civil disobedience is accepting the consequences of said disobedience. Those arrested knew what would happen and chose accordingly. I won't fault them for that.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

You have the right to assembly, not the right to trespass anywhere you want at any time.

They could get a permit to protest on public grounds like parks, and would be protected by the law. But that doesn't grab media attention, so they choose to be civilly unruly in their protests. It grabs attention far better, at greater risk to themselves.

Edit - downvoters, what exactly do you think I got wrong in the above statement?

[–] Woozythebear@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Were you not alive during the BLM protests? They had plenty of permits and it didn't stop cops from shooting out their eyes and kicking them out.

A permit means nothing now since nobody respects it from police to judges. There is no form of legal protest in public anymore. That's why you're being downvoted.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not sure on the specifics of the Yale protest, but the Columbia protestors were protesting in the designated "free speech" protest area that campus has. They are students protesting exactly where the school told them to, they just don't like the anti genocide message.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

They are students protesting exactly where the school told them to

This article claims that the school asked them not to protest on campus because of complaints that there were threats of violence and intimidation targeting Jewish students.

I'm not here to argue what's true or not, though. I have no idea.

The fact of the matter is that the college has the right to ask anyone to leave, and if you refuse, that is trespassing. Obviously, if the police arrested them, they were asked to leave and refused (barring oppressive police practices like surrounding them so they couldn't leave, which has not been alleged by anyone in this case).

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 6 months ago

Consider donating to a bail fund.