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Fairphone 5 Released (shop.fairphone.com)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by baseless_discourse@mander.xyz to c/technology@beehaw.org
 

With 5 years of OS support and 8 years of security update.

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[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Interesting how they went for an IoT SoC (Qualcomm QCM 6490), instead for an SoC that's actually meant for usage in phones.

They probably did this to be able to get longer Android updates. As a side effect, that means it natively supports desktop Ubuntu and Windows 11 IoT Enterprise.

On the other hand, this is pretty much the only phone using this SoC. (There are three models by a totally unknown brand from India that use the same SoC.)

It's going to be interesting to see whether that's an advantage or a disadvantage.

[–] Micromot@lemmycook.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mhm desktop ubuntu phone sound fun, or even desktop windows

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

That's what the SoC supports. Let's see what the phone ends up supporting. But I agree, it does sound fun.

[–] Safeguard@beehaw.org 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I pre-ordered already.

Ok, so honesty time: The fact that this company is good for the environment, pays people well, etc.. is NOT my main "thing" for wanting to own this phone.

It's the fact that it is open. I can unlock and flash whatever I want, I can fix things by ordering replacement parts, a new screen is TOTALLY do-able both price wise and doing it myself.

Also it does not come with bloat, or vendor-lock in software like on ALL samsung shitty phones.

Out of all the phones, this one makes the most sense.

(And my current FP4 goes to my mother, perfect for her and many more years of support)

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What OSes support the fairphone? I'd consider one if I could run something other than android on it

[–] ripcord@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

What are you currently running? Just curious what non-android and non-ios is working well for you.

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[–] mosthated@feddit.nl 29 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I was exited for this phone, but as I said in another thread: I am a bit disappoited about the CPU and the substantial price hike, but most of all aqout the size increase. Is there any market research at all indicating that customers want 6"+ displays?

[–] irasponsible@beehaw.org 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is there any market research at all indicating that customers want 6"+ displays?

Unfortunately, yes. People who buy smaller phones are the people who buy a new phone less often, and small phones tend to sell worse than the big models (see S10e, iPhone 12(?) Mini) so don't get renewed. Would be nice if they did.

[–] NiklzNDimz@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

It's so frustrating that this is true. I use devices until they're dead or at risk of serious compromise before getting another, but the only options are ones that I can't even hold comfortably with one hand. I'm seriously considering the Jelly 2 at this point.

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[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago

The CPU choice is great, why are you disappointed with it? It's the reason they can offer a minimum of 8 years of support on this model.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

With you on almost all points. Only the size didn't actually increase. The phone's dimensions are exactly the same. Only the weight went up a bit. The screen size was increased by using up more of the phone's front side.

The phone is still a massive brick.

[–] noodlejetski@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

substantial price hike

it’s €50 more expensive than the FP4 with the same RAM/storage configuration on its release (€650 fot 8 GB of RAM and 256 GB of storage).

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[–] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just wish it had a US release...

[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fairphone 4 is sold and supported in NA, hope they will carry fairphone 5 as well: https://mander.xyz/comment/2699680

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[–] RogueHabanero@beehaw.org 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wish they sold it in the U.S.

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[–] csolisr@communities.azkware.net 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I understand why is the device so expensive (they wanted to make sure that everyone in the manufacture pipeline is properly paid, and that the materials are ethically sourced as much as humanly possible) but yeah, unless I can be absolutely sure that I won't be changing devices in the next five years, I don't think I'll be able to afford this one.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Isn't it wonderful playing a rigged game?

Here is a phone that ticks many, many boxes for sustainable and ethical production. It's the phone that "free market will fix it" neoliberals insist should bring the downfall of companies that just release e-waste.

But of course the free market won't fix anything.

Neoliberals built a managed democracy and giant corporations were allowed to use outsourcing, slaves and environment-unfriendly manufacturing.

The influx of cheap goods subsidised by the misery of foreign workers and future generations made it harder to notice our shrinking wages. We could still afford to fill our homes with tat, just like our parents did.

But your grandfathers tools lasted 30 years and yours will last 3 (and be worse for the duration). Very few companies even bother offering good products, let alone ethical ones.

Because nobody can actually afford "good" any more. Not the consumers who want to buy it, nor the handful of companies trying to sell it. You have to buy crap. Companies have to be unethical.

It's dug us a very very deep hole that's going to be a lot of hard work to climb out of and it's looking like politicians and billionaires are only interested in selling us new shovels.

[–] NeonWoofGenesis@l.henlo.fi 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Millions of people could afford this phone, they just don't care about ethics.

Instead the Samsung S's, Folds and iPhones sell by the tens of millions because they are trendy and give more "bang for the buck".

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And millionaires could afford to pay their workers fair wages, but apparently you'd rather blame the general public instead.

It's not at all unreasonable for people to assume the goods they buy are ethically produced.

If someone gets food poisoning from a restaurant, do you blame them for eating there? Do you try and shame them for not reading through 800 reviews to check it was safe to eat there? Do you insist they should have gone somewhere that was twice the price for half the portion?

Of course you don't. But apparently this deeply flawed logic is only used when it comes to corporate greed and only because rich people don't run restaurants.

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[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 8 points 1 year ago

I can understand that. The next best option is a second-hand phone, which will also help with your financial problem. However keep in mind that Fairphone are offering a minimum of support for 8 years (and aiming for 10) so it may work out as less overall depending on what you normally spend on a phone.

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[–] Reil@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their website doesn't seem to specify which GSM bands it has (simply "More Bands and Band-Combinations for better reception"). I want to know how much of a given provider's spectrum I'd be missing out on trying to sneak one of these to the states.

[–] keiko@fedia.io 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fairphone 4:
4G supported bands: B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B18/B19/B20/B28/B32/B38/B40/B41/B71
5G supported bands: n1/n3/n5/n7/n8/n20/n28/n38/n41/n71/n77/n78

Fairphone 5:
4G supported bands: B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B20/B28/B32/B38/B40/B41/B42/B48/B66/B71
5G supported bands: n1/n2/n3/n5/n7/n8/n20/n28/n38/n41/n48/n66/n71/n77/n78

Relevant comment about Fairphone 4 in the USA

TL;DR: By adding band 66, Fairphone 5 has better compatibility with cellular network providers in the USA. Band 48 also gives better compatibility with Verizon. T-Mobile is still the best for Fairphone in the USA.

[–] Reil@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Thanks! Yeah, it looks like it covers T-mobile minus the GHZ/ mmWave bands, which is good for me. A solid consider, especially if they (eventually) drag it over to the states like the Fairphone 5.

[–] outofemailaliases@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

still waiting for the next unfairphone release

[–] that_one_guy@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

September 12th for the new iPhone.

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[–] Sina@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a pretty great phone, I just wouldn't spend this much on a phone. Even if it lasts let's say 6 years, I can buy 3-4 mid range androids at this price & as the years go by they could be far better than this one near the end.

Also while Iphones are really hard to repair, they do last very long & there are people out there who can replace my iphone battery for like $40 and it too would last 5-6 years. (a recent enough refurbished SE for example)

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even if it lasts let's say 6 years, I can buy 3-4 mid range androids at this price

Something tells me you missed the point of the Fairphone...

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is going to be my next phone. I cant wait to get out of the mainstream phone market. I barely use my phone for anything but browsing the web so it shouldbe fine.

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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Wish it was degoogled. I’d love one, but… android 🤢 privacy hell

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It will be deGoogled soon enough. The Fairphone 4 is supported across several deGoogled versions of Android including CalyxOS, iodéOS, LineageOS, DivestOS and /e/OS. The Fairphone 3 and even the 2 are also supported by some of those operating systems.

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[–] snowbell@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I wonder if IP55 is enough to mount to motorcycle handlebars in heavy rain.

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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] nlm@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Looks pretty nice tbh! Probably going to stick to my current phone a few more years until it stops being updated but if I manage to break it this might just be the replacement.

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