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WASHINGTON, Aug 30 (Reuters) - Donald Trump's former lawyer Rudy Giuliani is liable for defaming two election workers in Georgia, a U.S. judge in Washington said on Wednesday.

Judge Beryl Howell issued the order as a sanction against Giuliani for failing to turn over electronic records sought by the two election workers, Wandrea "Shaye" Moss and her mother Ruby Freeman, in the case.

The judge's order means Giuliani will have to pay damages for spreading false vote-rigging claims against the pair following the 2020 U.S. presidential election. He previously admitted that his statements were false and damaged Moss and Freeman's reputations.

Giuliani will face a civil trial in Washington, D.C. federal court to determine how much he will have to pay.

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[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love that lies now have consequences because conservatives are people who love to be lied to.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I mean if you look at the Fox News/Dominion case ... Fox viewers should know they've been lied to and manipulated. It's crazy how little they care.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

In the words of my father when I pointed out one again that the horrible shit he emailed me about Obama was in fact false:

"I don't care. I hate them."

That's it. The party of Hate and Fear. They don't care what lies they are told as long as they believe it hurts the people they hate.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Conservatives are literally thrilled when people lie to them. To them, honesty is a vice and dishonesty is a virtue.

All while screaming about 1984 because they can't use racial and sexual slurs on Facebook.

[–] cassetti@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah it's more simple than that - the truth is boring. Salacious content is more exciting.

At the end of the day, capitalism wins, and whatever generates more views gets more advertising revenue.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No. It's more than that. Conservatives actually love to hear lies.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

He may have lied in this particular instance, but that lie serves a greater truth: I'm always right about everything and I should always get my way.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

But though this is known, it wasn’t likely mentioned anywhere that they’d trust as news. Fox News certainly didn’t talk about it. I’m sure many of them have no idea about the outcome of that case.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could this ruling impact the Georgia RICO case because it’s now on the record that the election in Georgia was not rigged as they have claimed and keep claiming? Can a civil ruling like this be used as evidence in a criminal ruling? I am not a lawyer and not American.

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I was listening to NPR, and they gave the impression that Giuliani withheld the evidence so it couldn't be used against him in the RICO case

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Two parts of this Order seem to be particularly in the "I'm sick of your crap, Rudy." category:

  1. To ensure that the Giuliani Businesses reimburse plaintiffs’ attorneys fees associated with their successful motion to compel discovery from those Businesses, see Pls.’ Revised Mot. Compel Giuliani Partners & Giuliani Communications (“Pls.’ Giuliani Businesses Motion”), ECF No. 70, in the amount totaling $43,684, with interest on that amount to accrue from September 20, 2023 against defendant Rudolph W. Giuliani personally if his Businesses fail to timely comply;

  2. ORDERED that, as a sanction for defendant’s failure timely to reimburse plaintiffs’ $89,172.50 in attorneys’ fees by July 25, 2023, the jury will be instructed that they must, when determining an appropriate sum of punitive damages, infer that he is intentionally trying to hide relevant discovery about his financial assets for the purpose of artificially deflating his net worth, unless he produces fulsome responses to plaintiffs’ RFP Numbers 40 and 41 by September 20, 2023, in which case, the mandatory instruction may be converted to a permissive one.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

they must, when determining an appropriate sum of punitive damages, infer that he is intentionally trying to hide relevant discovery about his financial assets for the purpose of artificially deflating his net worth

that sounds expensive

[–] Kerrigor@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why has he not been disbarred yet? What's the point of that process existing if they don't use it

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They have to go easy on Republicans. Because reasons.

[–] flipht@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] rafadavidc@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 year ago

Because reasonsT?

Edit - bash.org is DOWN??

[–] yip-bonk@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

To show how the rich and powerful don’t have to play by the rules. Like us peasants do.

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Couldn't have happened to a nicer treasonous ghoul.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Trying the Alex Jones defense playbook was certainly a choice...

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Absolutely glorious

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

You're not going to need any butter to fry this greeseball.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Glad to see Mr. Law and Order getting his just desserts.

[–] yip-bonk@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Member in the 2016 RNC when Rude came out and lost his goddamned mind in front of the world for trump? Obviously he was a piece of shit then for manipulating the SDNY FBI to “re-open” the hEr EmAiLs probe 2 days before the election, but I still was like wtf dude, what happened to you. (Spoiler: Scotch and greed is a helluva drugs.)

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

He didn't lose his mind.

People like him (Trump too) pretended to be moderates or even Democrats, because that's what was needed to fake it till you make it in New York.

Once they didn't need that anymore, the mask came off (granted, it had been slipping for a long time, especially with Trump who always looked exactly like he was, a narcissist only out for himself) and they showed themselves to be completely what they are. The most assbackward type of right wing self obsessed, self important narcissistic conmen imaginable.

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

what happened to you. (Spoiler: Scotch and greed is a helluva drugs.)

Nah, what happened was nothing. This is who he has always been.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

is that big, sloppy mouth gonna get his fat ass in trouble holy shit i think it might

[–] markr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Disrespecting a court’s authority is generally a bad idea.