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A federal judge has determined that Rudy Giuliani has lost a defamation lawsuit from two Georgia election workers against him after he failed to provide information sought in subpoenas.

The decision could lead to significant penalties for the former Donald Trump attorney.

In court in recent weeks, Giuliani said he could no longer contest that he made false and defamatory statements about Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss – who are only one group of plaintiffs suing him for defamation related to his work for Trump after the 2020 election.

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[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago

His hair gravy must be really flowing today.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not easy to lose a case by default for failing to comply with discovery. You have to really work hard for the court to basically say "your conduct is so bad that you've forfeited your right to continue making a defense". But due process is still a process, and if you straight up refuse to fulfill your end of the process, and turn down the many chances to comply with discovery that the judge will give you, then this happens. Alex Jones went down for the same thing in his defamation case. These turds all think they can just buck every system or break any norm that suits them, which is why they always go down for the dumbest simplest shit in these cases like perjury, discovery, and witness tampering.

[–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t think they think they can get away with it. They know that turning over the evidence would be more damaging to them than losing the case.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, if you are certain that complying with discovery is going to expose more crimes and get you and your seditious buddies in more hot water, a good soldier like Giuliani will take the L of a default judgement, simply because he's more afraid of what his "friends" will do to him than what the justice system will do to him.

[–] demlet@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's the one problem with denying reality. Reality doesn't care. I just didn't expect the US legal system to be the place where the rubber met the road. Honestly I thought it would take physical violence, unfortunately. Although our legal system ain't perfect, it's a pleasant surprise.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Another FAFO moment for poor Rudy. When will he ever learn?

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Aren't defamation cases normally really hard to win?

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It was a default judgement, in large part because he refused to comply with a discovery order; wasn't a matter of them winning so much as him not showing up.

The judge speculated - and other commentators seem to agree - that he may have done this because the discovery could have hurt him more badly in some of the other, scarier legal cases against him (like the criminal case in Georgia); she made it clear she wasn't going any easier on him because of it, though. But if he figures he's going to be broke for the rest of his life anyway, then having them get in line with all of the other people he owes money to might be worth it if it even slightly reduces his likely jail time.

[–] Ryan213@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only within the Four Seasons of the year...

[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I love this so much…

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Unless the defamer (is that a word? if not, it now is...) is a total idiot.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I love it when lies have consequences. Because conservatives love being lied to.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a weird read. They handed over 200 documents plus financial records. This case is about some remarks, how does it need so many records, what wasnt provided that resulted in this? There was an FBI raid and they say he should have made backups.

Is backing up all your documents expected in all court cases?

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Keep in mind it is a very common tactic to "bury" your opponent in paper. By law the lawyer knows they have to turn over an incriminating document. So they bury it in hundreds or thousands of other documents and hope opposing counsel misses it.