I am a proponent of MAID, but I find it extremely disturbing that we're opening up MAID to conditions that aren't even covered under our social health system. We are openly saying that we consider mental health issues too expensive to treat and would prefer that people with these conditions just die already. Social supports for people with disabilities and expanding health care to include mental health coverage should absolutely be part of this, or we're just being murderous ghouls as a society.
this post was submitted on 15 Jul 2023
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I agree with this as long as the solution is more healthcare, not less MAID. The latter is just cruelty.
Right! This is just assisted suicide. What our government is saying is basically that they prefer you go and die instead of giving you treatment.
What the fuck.
To be honest, I'd be in support of assisted suicide. I support total bodily autonomy, in all aspects.
Iβm not sure itβs as crystallized as that yet, but I agree with your sentiment. Everyone should have the right to choose to die but if the reason is βthere was no other option,β then, we should be damn well sure we offered everything we could. Letβs not be taking societal shortcuts to βoh well, we gave it our best shot.β
I support someoneβs right to end their own suffering, 100%, but it is very bad form to: be ABLE to help someone, INGORE that they are suffering, but SMILE while helping them polish their gun.
Yep. I believe people should have choices, but after proper care. My daughter has Anorexia, but since she was still not an adult she had access to a counsellor, medication, and programs. It turned her life around. But once you are 19+ there is nothing unless you have lots of money
unless your have lots of money
That's the key right there isn't it?
Why should the wealthy elite of this society be the only ones to get access to the care they need to stay alive and well???
We are becoming a society with castes. This will not go well.
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It's getting exacerbated though.
I agree in principle, but that's not what's happening in the real world.
My husband has ME/CFS. It's a life-destroying disease, even though it doesn't usually kill you. There's no treatment, no cure, and no idea about the underlying cause, after many decades of research.
It's heartbreaking to read messages from people who caught it as a teen, seen all their schoolfriend grow up, experience life, find love etc, all while the sufferer is in pain all day, no hope of improving, relying heavily on what family they have who are willing to support.
This is by no means ideal, but neither is decades of suffering. I err on the side of reducing the constant pain.
The title of this article is deplorably sensationalistic, but the article itself isn't bad. I guess they couldn't fit this into the title:
It requires a written application and assessments from two independent medical practitioners, including at least one specialized in their condition if the applicant is not near their natural death.
The article also notes:
Even after the change in the legislation [to allow non-foreseeable death applications], about 98% of the assisted deaths in 2021 were people deemed near their natural death, according to Health Canada data.
My Grandfather in law just went through this.
94, came down for a vacation, had been having trouble eating more months. Went from ER to CAT scan in 6 hours, to a diagnosis of esophageal cancer.
Requested MAID, took 5 days, and he was very thankful to receive it.
I agree with the disability rights advocates that we need to provide better access to social services. However, in either a world where we have sufficient access to social services, or the current world, I think expanded access to MAID is beneficial. I don't think expanded MAID is in lieu of expanded social services, nor do I think expanded MAID will discourage expanding social services.
If the religious advocates are pushing back on this, maybe they could actually push for better access to social services so less disabled people wanted to die?
If people wanna die, they'll die.
Our choice is whether it's humane, or super cruel and messy. It's a binary choice; you pick.
The key issue is this. While we should allow death with dignity, we should also support life with dignity. We are failing badly in that category for far too many people.
Unfortunately, as soon as offing yourself becomes an easily accessible option, we are less motivated to help people. We've already had too many scandals of people looking for help being asked if they've considered medically assisted suicide.
I am 100% in support of the personal choice to end your life. I don't want it to become a government offered solution to solvable problems.
Wait for the Jesus freaks with a saviour complex to tell you how they can save literally everybody
There's nothing so evil as someone thinking they're doing good as per some arbitrary belief structure.
Everyone should have the right to end their life when they see fit - and the reality is people do it whether it's legal or not - but it's so sad when someone with treatable mental health issues can't see any light or hope because the issues are untreated. I've known so many people over the years who talked of ending things because of depression, who were eventually able to get to a better place and were so happy that they pushed through it.
MAID prevents messier suicides.
The fact that it's necessary is a disappointing condemnation of our healthcare system, but it's better than blowing your brains out or jumping off of a bridge.
I knew someone who threw themselves off a bridge. Well, I knew their sibling. I was there when the call came through from the RCMP that they were missing. Then the call that the body was found. To say that it destroyed that family would be an understatement. I remember that my friend had to go down with their mother and identify what was left of the body. They were (understandably) never quite the same after that.
I don't know if I support expanding MAID to people with mental health issues or not. I have a feeling their sibling would've found a way to kill themselves one way or another. Maybe something more dignified would've been easier on the family? I don't know.