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I just ran into this being quoted in a YouTube comment and was like, "well, that's horseshit."

There's plenty of examples where I ... well, uh ...

Curious what y'all think.

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[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's a quote attributed to Aristotle.

In that light, such anger would be virtuous (being neither too extreme nor timid, too late nor early, based on the proper reason, and with an appropriate response).

It's too bad none of the "decline of Western Civilization" people care to heed this quote. They seem to have abandoned virtue altogether, preferring vice and viciousness instead.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Appreciate the sourcing. As with so many things, the original is better.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 4 points 5 months ago

Frankly I also like the original better. It seems more reasonable, less like "it's impossible" and more like "it's really hard".

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

You are mad at the person who said that, upon hearing them say it, for being wrong and then made a post about it which is the appropriate response.

Seems it's possible to me. You've just done it, OP.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 6 points 5 months ago

Colour me confused. I was inviting conversation about it because I found it interesting and felt conflicted about whether I agreed.

[–] Steve 5 points 5 months ago

Where did you see Powderhorn being mad?
All that's literally there is them thinking the quote was wrong (calling it horseshit), and then realizing they can't think of an example where it is wrong.

[–] luciole@beehaw.org 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's a vague statement. Enormous wiggle room. I think there's a valuable idea somewhere in there about reflecting on the root of a problem, but the conclusion is overly fatalist. It's OK to hold someone accountable even though they are part of something bigger.

[–] Steve 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Holding someone accountable is unrelated to being mad at them.
Neither requires the other.

[–] luciole@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago

I was more thinking about the "proper response" part, as an example.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I've been thinking on the original of this sentence (Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics, book IX) for a bit. I'll copy the relevant excerpt:

That moral virtue is a mean, then, and in what sense it is so, and that it is a mean between two vices, the one involving excess, the other deficiency, and that it is such because its character is to aim at what is intermediate in passions and in actions, has been sufficiently stated. Hence also it is no easy task to be good. For in everything it is no easy task to find the middle, e.g. to find the middle of a circle is not for every one but for him who knows; so, too, any one can get angry- that is easy- or give or spend money; but to do this to the right person, to the right extent, at the right time, with the right motive, and in the right way, that is not for every one, nor is it easy; wherefore goodness is both rare and laudable and noble.

I might not agree with his "middle ground" reasoning (I think that it's simplistic) but I agree with his conclusion - to express anger can be good as long as you do it without misdirecting it, overdoing it, doing it when it doesn't matter, doing it for spurious reasons, or doing it non-constructively.

[–] Kissaki@beehaw.org 1 points 4 months ago

I think it's very possible.

With the right causation or correlation, the correct person is identified.

Whether right reason refers to being mad at the person for the related reason or the reason itself being valid and rightful, both are possible.

Right time is related to the cause of anger as well as when the anger takes place. Both is possible to be at the right time.

You can even be angry without any visible indication. There's also cases where an aggressive response is the right response. Proper response is possible too.

[–] Steve 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm not sure I would say it isn't possible.
I'm also not sure it's ever happened.
So I don't know. It seems possible though.