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America has more independent voters than Democrats or Republicans. Are they changing American politics?

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[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm a registered independent, I did it because neither party represents me. I almost always vote democrat but I really wish there were more options.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I really hope you guys get ranked voting at some point so you have a chance at democracy.

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That and algorithmic districting are my hopes.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd settle for viable candidates

[–] Addv4@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Afraid the best I can do is one candidate running for the position, so your vote literally doesn't matter.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's a common misconception but if you registered you aren't "independent" you are a member of your state's Independent party, who has a platform and agenda you may or may not agree with.

You don't need to register with any party to show you don't like R or D. Go for "little i independent".

[–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I thought I saw something about that but didn't remember where or look further into it. I just didn't want to register as either of the big 2. How do we link up independent voters to a new party? We don't have to play democrat/republican in the long game if we can get enough people on board to shift the board.

I recognize this will take time and considerable effort, but I think a new party with a clean history would do this country good. Who is the outside team that's got some momentum that we can build on? (albeit not for this prez cycle, sadly)

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

The way to do it is to support ranked choice and other voting systems that are not first past the post all/nothing; this would eventually lead to changing of the composition of congress over time and the two parties would have to learn how to moderate and negotiate their stances just like happens in democracies all over the world.

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 20 points 5 months ago

“I think Gen Z will not be ignored, and … a lot of those folks are tired of parties. Their entire life, people have been lying to them and not coming through.”

[–] AIhasUse@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's so interesting watching the BoTh SiDeS warriors shrink. It used to be full of them on posts like this, chanting their mantra at anyone who points out similarities or any articles that mentions people are pissed at us politics in general. Now, if they do show up, it's just one or two.

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I wish I lived in a state with ranked choice voting, in Colorado I believe it's optional at a county level which is lame

Or that it was in more states

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Haven't voted for either of the major party candidates in the last several elections. Like many people, I have tried to reform parties from the inside and have also tried elevating third parties and independent candidates. It is frustrating.

The two major parties in the US are baskets of mostly unrelated issues and policy positions. Seems to me that only the most braindead normies agree with even 60% of either these party platforms, much less 90%. All votes seem like "defensive" votes to prevent the excesses of your less-preferred party.

It would be nice to be able to actually vote for something in my lifetime, that actually has a feasible chance of winning.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Call it defensive because it's protecting rights if you want. But one side is protecting rights.

I'm voting for women's right to choose. I'm voting for pot legalization. I'm voting to fund Ukraine. I'm voting for gay rights. I'm voting for trans right to medical treatments. I'm voting to keep public education accurate. I'm voting to keep public libraries stocked. I'm voting for addressing climate change.

And yes, I'm also voting against subverting democracy, corruption, erratic behavior, and domestic terrorism.

90% of the "both sides" arguments are summed up by people who don't realize that open conservatives have been part of the party for a long time, including Joe Manchin.

I don't know all of your views, but as a progressive, it feels like "both sides" people are keeping one foot firmly planted in the radical door.

[–] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago

Testing cross posting instances and gratuitously adding that Colorado Springs is trashy ala St George, not a goid indicator of anything other than entitled oblivious people being discontented.