Another day, another battery breakthrough.
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Dry coated electrodes are pretty legit, and lots of manufacturers are starting to build up scaled manufacturing processes and tooling for it. It’s not a lab R&D thing anymore. This is going be a thing shortly.
This one is at the end of the R&D pipeline. Technology advances can take a good 10-20 years before they’re available in consumer products.
If you read the article, you can see that this isn’t a new research paper. It’s a company telling its consumers and investors when they plan to have production at scale.
The hype shit is getting tiring...
Everything is a break through now... Then it never really happens lol
Eh let's not pretend battery tech isn't advancing rapidly. Yes the over-hyped headlines are annoying but battery tech is moving forward at breakneck speeds.
The Internet is terrible at understanding R&D timelines. We’re operating on timelines that can be 10-20 years from R&D to a consumer products. It’s been this way forever. NASA’s tech advancements were a great example of this.
If you want check on the progress of big scientific advancements, you can’t be looking back at the papers published last year, you need to look back at the papers published a decade ago.
And that all being said, this specific tech is at the end of R&D pipeline. It’s going into scaled manufacturing. It’s going to be a thing you can buy soon.
There's been a toxic positivity in battery development news. It comes so often, and the results seemingly never appearing, that people wave off every advancement.
I've seen people argue that there is no advancement at all (there certainly has been), or that sodium batteries won't happen (you can already buy them). This is completely ignorant, but there's a reason people feel it's correct.
Leaks over to renewable tech, too. Saw one guy argue we'd run out of pervskovites for solar panels.
This thing is happening though. If you look up “dry coated electrodes,” you’ll see that this has been in development for over a decade, and manufacturers are now starting to build manufacturing lines for this. It’s not a lab experiment anymore, this is going into mass production.
Now imagine if companies were incentivized to share information like this...
When money is on the table, this will never happen
It's easy - rock up with a pile of money representing how much this break through is worth to you, if it's enough, they'll license it to you. Don't understand?
That's not sharing, that is selling
Just proposing a way to incentivise the sharing you wanted. If you want this kind of thing to be public domain so everyone can take advantage of it then the public needs to pay for the research to happen.
Manufacturing improvement for dry-coating the cathode and anode. Tesla currently dry coats the anode but not the cathode.
I think LG is a little disingenuous there calling themselves the leader.
Tesla is mass producing 10s of millions of cells with a dry coated anode and has plans to do the cathode as well (Edit and can in the lab just like LG)
LG says this is going to be for both in 2028 on a pilot line, as if they won't have their own problems at scale as well.
By 2028 what makes them think Tesla won't have both going as well, while they've yet to finish building the factory?
Is anyone else actually mass producing dry anodes yet other than Tesla?
So this just dropped today - https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-mass-production-dry-electrode-4680-cells-end-of-2024-report/
Tesla might start producing the dry cathode this year. Lets say they still have more troubles though and say sometime in 2025.
looks at calendar - Yep, that's before 2028!