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[–] JustMarkov@lemmy.ml 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

And also proprietary, as it's distributed under source-available license:

https://github.com/futo-org/android-keyboard?tab=License-1-ov-file

[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

What's the pushback against it? I like that you can modify and publish version of it as long as it's noncommercial

Edit: I don't understand the down votes, I'm trying to learn - what are the downsides of this thatkmake so unpopular?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It doesn't protect the 4 freedoms

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[–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Switched to this a couple weeks ago. I'm used to swipe typing on gboard. Unfortunately the swipe typing on FUTO is nowhere near useable for me yet. The accuracy is horrendous, and much of the time it just gives up on inputting any word at all.

Unfortunately swiping on Gboard has been my main method of typing for more than a decade. I'm so accustomed to it that I can type full sentences without even looking at my phone.

So in an effort to improve my privacy (by discontinuing my use of a piece of keylogging spyware as a keyboard) I've sacrificed the speed of swipe typing. Everything takes much longer to type now. Worth it? I guess I'll keep trying for a month or so and decide then.

[–] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Have you tried Heliboard? It's open and has swyping (you have to download a binary blob).

[–] funkycarrot@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 4 months ago

Yeah I tried swipe typing on FUTO keyboard too and was very disappointed, went back to the absolutely stellar Heliboard. It's definitely as good as Apple's swipe typing, especially after a few weeks of use.

To be fair the FUTO keyboard is still in Alpha and they plan to improve this specifically. I'll keep an eye on it as it matures.

[–] dRLY@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Where do you get the blob?

[–] xenspidey@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

I use heliboard with futo for voice to text. Works pretty well. Best voice to text one used. Picks up on proper punctuation without having to say it.

[–] GustavoFring@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just FYI you can use a firewall app on device to block Gboard internet access.

[–] zelnix@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It can communicate via play services if you have that

[–] GustavoFring@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Any more information on this?

[–] zelnix@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Agreed. From what I can tell the swiping is inaccurate as you have to touch each letter perfectly for it to register where as on gboard being near to or adjacent to a letter is sufficient for it to guess the correct word

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The speech to text is too slow for me, especially if you use 4 languages like me.

In the end I switched to HeliBoard, there I can type those 4 languages without changing the keyboard.

[–] kionite231@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Could you tell which 4 languages you use? I am sure it would include Japanese.

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[–] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I just set it up following your comment but I cannot figure out how to set it up in order to type in different languages without changing keyboards.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 4 points 4 months ago

Did you check the FAQ https://github.com/Helium314/HeliBoard?tab=readme-ov-file#faq--common-issues I think there the most things explained. It's a long time ago I did it so I don't quite remember either.

[–] Crewman@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

Go to Languages and Layouts, select your language, then add the additional languages to Multilingual Typing.

[–] Synnr@sopuli.xyz 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

FUTO is the greatest use of on-device LLM so far. It never gets anything wrong, even my thought markers "..."

[–] Lem453@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Ya I'm using the English 79 model (not the default) voice on a pixel 8 and it works very well.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I had switched to HeliBoard in order to de-Google as much as possible. I'm not militant about it, but if there's an alternative I'll take it.

Decided to try out FUTO because I felt like I was missing swipe typing. And it's good. But for me it's just too much. It turns out I didn't really miss swipe typing, and (possibly just a me issue) that extra feature was making FUTO much less responsive than Heliboard. So back I went.

I guess for me, simple and fast is more important than replicating my old Gboard experience. But each person is different.

[–] aido@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Heliboard has swipe typing? Just go to the settings and tap on "Gesture Typing". I believe you have to download a proprietary library for it, though.

[–] Onihikage@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago

You can add swipe (glide?) typing into HeliBoard. From their github readme:

  • Glide typing (only with closed source library ☹️)
    • library not included in the app, as there is no compatible open source library available
    • can be extracted from GApps packages ("swypelibs"), or downloaded here (click on the file and then "raw" or the tiny download button)

The only reason HeliBoard doesn't include this themselves is presumably legal liability plus their dedication to the app not having any network permissions at all.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 2 points 4 months ago

I've had no responsive issues with FUTO so far, just the occasional typo from the ever so slightly different layout.

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[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Whats the general opinion about AnySoftKeyboard?

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 3 points 4 months ago

I've tried it, and it's quite good and heavily customisable, but a pain in the arse if you want to use more than one language. I think their Dutch version doesn't even work if I recall correctly.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I though it was against the rules to post about proprietary software

[–] Lemmchen@feddit.de 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It isn't foss so it is a toss. You can't do much with the source code. It is the same as the Windows XP source code

[–] Thrickles@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Checking this out now! So far I like it. Only think I lose from using Gboard is the access to gifs, but I can work around that.

[–] GustavoFring@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Privacy wise you should really have internet disabled for Gboard anyways which already disables the gif functionality.

[–] the@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Any idea what languages this keyboard support? I can't use any open source keyboard yet as all doesn't have good multi lingual support and typing.

[–] Virkkunen@fedia.io 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Have you tried HeliBoard? I think it has the best multilingual support for all these FOSS keyboards, but mind you, you have to manually load the dictionaries for the languages you want, and same thing for the swipe libraries, but it's all documented and linked on the GitHub page.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

It has alot of languages. Depending on what your looking for the voice is good the options are nice. Pair it with openboard and its a gem.

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[–] Winter8593@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Just donated last night. I've been using this keyboard for the past month. I switched over from gboard. While I've never really used speech to text I'm just glad that this keyboard is so privacy focused. You can swap out the llms too if it fits your style

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 4 points 4 months ago

Tried it, Heliboard combined with FUTO Voice is much, much better.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Gonna give it a shot. Can't be any worse than the default Android Keeb

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

It's good. I use it. Whoever made it did a great job.

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[–] exu@feditown.com 4 points 4 months ago

Switched after Louis' video about it. Haven't tried the voice yet, but just having swipe typing and suggestions again is a definite improvement.

[–] Tubulous@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I use a FUTO voice and Helio keyboard combo by just calling FUTO from Helio when I want to dictate. Works great for me. I tried the FUTO keyboard and it works well enough but not quite as well as Helio for me. Still contribute money, though, because I like where they are headed.

[–] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

I love Heliboard, but this is already giving me much better autocorrect, I'm not finding myself actively avoiding typing from my phone now, so it's a win to me

[–] Yprum@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I like the idea of the keyboard being offline and the LLM stuff but so far I can't see a way for multi language input. I'm guessing it's too early in the alpha state for that but I will keep an eye open for it, it is a promising project. In the meantime I'll test the heliboard others were mentioning.

[–] Midnight1938@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago

No keyboard besides SwiftKey and gboard have accented characters for devanagari script.

Every opensource one is a dealbreaker, and i dont know how to fix it myself.

hindi keyboard in SwiftKey

[–] fossphi@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I haven't ventured past the stock keyboard in a long while. What's the status on swipe typing on foss android keyboards? I want to switch away from the stock oem keyboard app

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

What's the status on swipe typing on foss android keyboards?

Some have it, some don't. Idk why but I heard the swipe functionality relies on some kind of Google library that you can install manually on some FOSS keyboards if they don't have the feature. Idk if it's safe for privacy though. I never learned swipe keyboards anyways so here I'm on the "just don't use it" side :) (jk)

[–] seang96@spgrn.com 2 points 4 months ago

FUTO is the only one to my knowledge that doesn't rely on the Google library but it also isn't as good.

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