this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2024
310 points (93.3% liked)

Technology

59188 readers
3238 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Ersei, the developer behind this so-called Cloud Native Computer, says the project was primarily a “silly” pursuit. There is also a problem with booting from Google Drive currently being very slow. However, the dev also boasts that “the possibilities are endless” and would welcome any companies or individuals who wish to get in contact and discuss commercializing this project or something related to it.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] jfx@discuss.tchncs.de 173 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Soo, booting your computer from someone else's computer?

I mean we've had thin clients and PXE for ages?

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 58 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And bootp before that, and tftp before that. So I think roughly... 35 years?

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

PXE specifically uses tftp doesn't it?

[–] noobface@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago
[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

More being able to use cloud storage and not need a full physical secondary computer. In theory the cloud can be accessed anywhere, even if a portion is down, not the same for a single physical PC.

[–] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

is the non physical cloud in the room right now?

[–] lewdian69@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Nope! That's the point. It's in someone else's room!

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Do thin clients and PXE require a server specifically configured to serve a boot image? (Genuinely asking.)

I'm not sure whether this project is doing something new by just accessing network resources that are nothing more than shared files, without any specific software running on the server (beyond just a server serving files).

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

Yes, they do. The novel thing here is serving the files out of Google Drive.

There are existing PXE servers that run over the Internet, like boot.netboot.xyz, so that you don't have to run your own (assuming you trust everyone involved in that connection). Those are far more practical.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 128 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So it's a thin client remote booting extremely slowly over a really high latency connection. Cool, the 1980s called and they want their tech back.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 90 points 4 months ago (1 children)

However, the dev also boasts that “the possibilities are endless” and would welcome any companies or individuals who wish to get in contact and discuss commercializing this project or something related to it.

"We're looking for dumb investors that don't understand technology so we can sell them a bridge."

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 59 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Bro forgot to liberally sprinkle blockchain and AI dust on his project before offering it to investors

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's basically booting and running the OS from inside the AI in the cloud!! The system doesn't "use" blockchain, it's made of blockchain! Every file is an NFT by default which provides a built in system for profit for everything you do on the computer!

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 97 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So they reinvented terminals, but worse

[–] sugartits@lemmy.world 61 points 4 months ago

Put a swap file on that bad boy boy and they've invented downloading ram!

This is a revolution.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 4 months ago

Aw yiss, all of my information on Google’s servers siiiiiicc

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago

Wow this sounds useless. Congratulations or whatever.

[–] regrub@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Interesting experiment, but I'd rather have a personal machine that isnt completely useless when/if the internet goes out. Also would be nice not to depend on a centralized service that could easily revoke access.

Seems like it's better suited for company work computers.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

when/if the internet goes out.

Or worse, when it basically sends a different image...

[–] regrub@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Looks like a new CVE dropped lol

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago

Boot from IPFS!

[–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 months ago

Good luck booting when Google nukes your account

[–] FelipeFelop@discuss.online 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can see two issues here:

It’s not really a storageless computer. It’s using EFI as storage to build the ramdisk.

What happens if you need to change things because of a change of cloud account, change of cloud API etc etc

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

No computer is ever really storageless. Even the BIOS has to be stored somewhere. If you didn't have any storage, you wouldn't be able to load any code, and it would not be a computer, it would be a brick.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the thing that gets me is that said dev tried it first with amazon S3 and it worked infinitely better there

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 months ago

Reminds me of the image macro about using drive as your swap

[–] Glowstick@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

“Primarily a silly pursuit”

[–] Glowstick@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, but it then goes on saying

"However, the dev also boasts that “the possibilities are endless” and would welcome any companies or individuals who wish to get in contact and discuss commercializing this project or something related to it."

And that's what I'm saying "y tho" to.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago

I mean, shit. If I did something stupid for fun and some idiot business major wants to pay me for an implementation, regardless of how useful It actually is, I’m not turning it down.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

So we’re back to ~~PXI~~ PXE? Everything old is new again.

Neat technical problem to solve though just for fun

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I set up a PXE image for the Arch installer and scripted the whole installation. The idea was to switch the boot order and have it auto-reimage, such as for a IOT device deploy.

Once I built it, I never used it again. But it was a fun afternoon.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 10 points 4 months ago

Netboot.xyz ?

[–] argh_another_username@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

One of my duties in my first job was to build diskless computers. I’d record an EPROM in the station and boot from a Novell server.

load more comments
view more: next ›