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Reddit’s CEO said he expects this blowup will pass eventually.
This was precisely the wrong thing for him to say if he wanted that to happen
Seriously. Talk about poking the bear, he got me pissed all over again. Never going back to reddit now.
That's because spazzy spez didn't think his internal memo would leak.
Nah I think it's clear he wanted it to leak. He's just an egomaniac who thinks he's actually a good leader. That section of the memo was for investor confidence. (It'll pass, no revenue effect so far, etc.) The other part about warning employees not to wear Reddit gear in public for fear of violence was meant for the press and for the uninformed, to try to garner sympathy and paint the protestors as bad actors.
Obvious tactic, paint the other side as violent and you'll get sympathy. Won't someone please think of the corporation.
Make no mistake, spez would love to see someone in a reddit tshirt beat up on the street. He'd be able to plaster that everywhere he could showing how sad his side is
A false flag is a typical right wing move. I can picture spez doing it. He should pick some kid name Aaron just to make it that much more spiteful.
The other part about warning employees not to wear Reddit gear in public for fear of violence was meant for the press and for the uninformed, to try to garner sympathy and paint the protestors as bad actors.
Glad people aren't blind to this obvious ploy. When LGBT violence is at an all time high I don't think you need to be worried about wearing a reddit shirt.
He expects so because he's going to have his admin staff de-mod all the rebels, open the subs back up, and ruthlessly ban anyone who says a word about the controversy. The user population that remains will eventually go back to sleep, and all will be well in Reddit-land.
Apparently the head mod of /r/Tumblr has already been forcibly demodded. A bit weird that Tumblr of all places has been the starting point.
The real question I think is will Reddit retaliate back and forcibly recover communities and install new mods?
Reddit declined to comment
I am guessing their comment would be something like, "FUCK!!!!!!"
Well now they have to take over the subs and get new moderators. They won't just sit there and watch Reddit burn further.
For the 2 days private protest, their comment that it will be over soon was appropriate. As giving an exact time frame allows to know the exact end of it. They could just sit there and wait it out.
Now with the indefinite protest, they have to act. And to get to content onto Reddit again, they will probably be looking for new unpaid ~~strike breakers~~ mods for those subs, so they don't have to actually hire and pay people to moderate content on their soon publicly traded company website.
Imagine how differently this would have played out if Reddit CEO Steve Huffman had taken a collaborative approach with app developers and stake holders. A few months ago, he could have called them up and humbly asked them for ideas and assistance in making Reddit profitable. Reddit would be on path to financial success by now.
I don't think it's wrong for Spez to charge for API access, but the rates he's vowing to charge are excessive and clearly designed to nuke third-party apps from their ecosystem.
As for how I'd make money from Reddit in his shoes, I'd:
It's a corporate us vs them mentality. I don't think Steve would even ask his own employees for help - the people who are on the ground running the company. The internal memo strongly indicates that Reddit doesn't have a two-way communication channel with leadership.
It's a shame, because refusing to take feedback is what ends up sinking most companies.
It was truly unexpected to see how large social networks find new and innovative ways to ride and accelerate their downfall.
From my perspective:
Facebook --> Cambridge Analytica fiasco
Twitter --> Elon was bluffing but Twitters Legal team forced him to proceed otherwise the SEC was already looking for blood and an excuse to make his life very difficult for all his previous shenanigans
Reddit --> already downhill since just before Ellen Pao nonetheless may I speculate that perhaps one or more of the larger shareholders/investors forced the current situation but Huffman underestimated and did not realize that the power users and pro bono moderators were entirely dependent on third-party apps.
Moreover, I exclusively used reddit through old.reddit.com I have no idea how current Reddit actually looks like nor do I care as it was unusable.
Sad to see great things go but life continues onward.
I have no idea how current Reddit actually looks like nor do I care as it was unusable.
Just for fun, I opened reddit in a fresh browser, without my settings and extensions etc. It was... shit. No other way to put it. 1/3 of the screen was used for content, the rest was some form of trying to feed you crypto stuff, advertisement or "hey you should rather watch this video than read text, you loser!".
For now, I can, thanks to some plugins, bring new reddit to something that is close enough to old reddit to be usable. But if this is the way reddit is heading, I'm out, alternative site or not.
Lemmy is growing but we need to work to make easy to allow reddit mods to setup instances and fund them
I am a Reddit mod. Gimme the step-by-step tutorial!
Be mildly competent at computers... or know someone who is and willing to help you.
Either setup your own instance, or find an instance that's already setup that you like and the owner will let you add stuff to the database...
Start a community...
Read here... https://github.com/rileynull/RedditLemmyImporter
Success! now you've migrated your subreddit to lemmy!
(This is a little sarcastic. I'm not good at legit guides. But it is possible!)
Edit: tweaked phrasing... doing this to general public servers would be unlikely.
Maybe pick an existing one and help it get off the ground:
I haven’t found many moderator features on Lemmy so far. The community that I created does not seem to have any way of blocking posts.
Good. I really hope this causes a snowball effect. After spez (fuck spez) basically told all the moderators "fuck you" today, I'd say there is enough momentum to get at least a good half of the participating subs on board with an indefinite blackout. And with more moderators checking their inboxes and feeds tomorrow, "after the blackout," I anticipate seeing a second wave starting tomorrow and throughout the next week, as these mods return to reddit temporarily to coordinate.
KEEP IT GOING!!!
Stuff’s already starting to go back to public, I expect nothing to change for the better.
As much as I do hope this helps, I'm afraid it won't change a thing: Like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well." -Spez. Seem they will ride out this storm. This have to be permanent to make any changes at Reddit.
But not for me. I'm forever gone.
And if there are enough power users (lots of comments, posts) like me who feel the same, it will have an impact.
There's a HUGE middle ground between "nothing changes" and "reddit goes out of business." As we see with Twitter, you can have a zombie platform that persists but slowly loses inertia month after month.
It's not that Reddit dies abruptly. It's that the platform is wounded now and, without attention, will bleed out slowly over many years.
Maybe Spez is right (obligatory fuck /u/spez comment), but this blowout also brought Lemmy and other similar sites to the limelight. We're on the stage where we early adopters are testing the waters, it's just a matter of time until a new competitor stands above the others and Spez's Reddit irónico s going to have to eat those words.
a lot of people back on Reddit could not give less of a shit about the issues and just want their content; they even see this as just mods powertripping again
it's kind of annoying to see that, tbh, even if I sort of get it
Cool, well the reason I'm here instead of on reddit is because of this. Last time I did this was when I found reddit after digg.
Well, despite the difficulties translating to Federated platforms, I will certainly be working on alternative social platforms.
I no longer use Quora or Facebook...
I unsubscribed my 'YouTube' channels and added them as RSS feeds, so there's no need for me to be signed in there to consume content from creators I follow.
I hope that a month or two with the Fediverse will allow me to understand it better. I'm sure that many Fediverse users will also remain on Reddit and be able to advise folks on what to do.
If anyone on, for example, r/firefox announced activity over here, I'd follow them here. So whatever the 'bots' say, I know what's occurring in my corner.
And reddit still don't give a shit. Just shows how much they care about the community.
Cool that sites are reporting on it. Maybe that’ll add pressure.
Also there alot of bots going around Reddit saying the protest is not working and all the subreddit mods are going to be easily replaced, with who I don't know.
Well if only bots are talking, mods can be bots too. /r/SubredditSimulator will just take over the whole Reddit
I suspect we’re about to see a lot of mods lose their permissions. Reddit will allow some protest but not at the expense of investors getting spooked.
While I would expect the larger ones to see admin takeovers, I wonder how easy it will be recruit capable mods to police those large subs...
Oh 100% i see moderation suffering. But reddit will only care about that when it directly affects them financially. Which is to say that there is an amount of abuse and bigotry that reddit is cool with as long as it doesn't bring lawsuits or scare advertisers