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I was accidentally locked out of home again, and I had to call a professional to open the lock.

But if someone was home, they could have just turned the knob of the door from inside. There's a device that can do that? It needs to do 3 full turns and it requires a bit of force to do that (armored door with iron bars that slide in every direction, so it has a big inertia to start)

I saw a ready solution on a store, the iseo x1r, but that costs 1000 euro + another 200 for the gateway (not mandatory but otherwise it uses proprietary Bluetooth protocol and so it can't talk with HA

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[–] megaman@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It sounds like you have a heavy duty door lock to be very secure, but you are essentially trying to backdoor all that security with a new internet-connected thing. An adversary only has to break the weakest link here, rendering the physical door lock obsolete.

If you are just going to have some digitally-connected device ultimately controlling access to the house, I'd go with just some standard door lock that does that (i haven't used em but they exist). The physical lock on those is surely less what you have know, but with your proposed solution the physical lock probably isnt what people who crack anyway.

[–] credo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yes, but now you’re weakening two aspects of the security, not just one. And for the digital solution you would also need to (break into the network + break into HA) -or- (break zigbee/zwave/thread) + be physically present to take advantage. I would argue this is generally more secure than a mass-produced lock with unknown vulnerabilities that’s easily recognizable from outside.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you don’t mind me asking, why do you have such a door in your home?

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

As one does.

[–] Observer1199@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How do you keep getting locked out? Would it not be easier to remember your keys when you go outside?

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

No no, surely the solution to this is a mechanical one

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I thought I had keys in my pocket, instead it was a different bunch. The keys were inserted in the socket from the inside, it doesn't allow to insert the key from the other side, so I couldn't use the backup pair that I keep in a separate location

[–] Observer1199@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is the door locking mechanism something you can change? If so you could change it to one that doesn't lock when it's closed, only when a key is used.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 points 1 month ago

Technically, yes, but I'm a bit lazy. If I can overengineer a workaround...

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

https://www.switch-bot.com/products/switchbot-lock

Not sure if it's compatible with your particular lock, but I've got switchbot stuff integrated into home assistant without issue (using their hub).

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 points 1 month ago

Nice this looks compatibile, except for the open sensor, my door has an ultra thick frame and it's only possible to install it at 12 cm, while the guide says 4 cm max. Does it really need it?

[–] rutrum@lm.paradisus.day 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can you share pics with this door? How do you walk outside and have it lock behind you?

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When you close it, it's not possible* to open it again from outside

* = only the triangular piece engages, so a professional can unlock it from outside by using a thin sheet of steel

[–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wow. Do you live in a bank vault? That’s a serious door!

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 points 1 month ago

There are so many burglars here that this kind of door is the standard in any apartment

[–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe just a spare key in a hidden lockbox outside?

You could also look at these.

https://candyhouse.co

With the WiFi add on it’s HA compatible.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Does it work in local only ?

[–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But that's not with HA integration, still using a proprietary app. Lame

At some point way back when, Adafeuit was selling empty shells of the original lockitron... I really wished I'd gotten one of those!